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Philosophers of science go back to drawing board + Diekemper vs Barbour

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Philosophers of science go back to the drawing-board
https://www.theguardian.com/science/life...challenges

EXCERPT: [...] I am a philosopher of science and I have taken an active interest in DES (Dark Energy Survey) over the past few years because DES — like most of the high-energy physics currently going on at CERN, which is also part of my research interests — raise important and surprisingly analogous methodological questions about how evidence, model-building, and ultimately theory choice are deeply inter-related.

[...] A typical measure of scientific success is the ability of a scientific theory to deliver novel predictions, which — if experimentally proved — might constitute an important advance for our scientific knowledge. Philosophy of science has built an industry around confirmation theory. But unprecedented methodological challenges are facing contemporary cosmology and particle physics today. These challenges force philosophers to go back to the drawing-board and re-think some of the traditional ways of thinking about scientific progress in cutting-edge areas, where fast-growing technologies are delivering an unprecedented wealth of experimental data, and model-building is crucial in the interface between experimentalists and theoreticians. Two major methodological challenges arise equally in contemporary cosmology and particle physics....

MORE: https://www.theguardian.com/science/life...challenges



Diekemper vs Barbour: The Dance of Time

PART 1: The present is nothing but a border between the past and the future.
https://iainews.iai.tv/articles/diekempe...e-auid-629

PART 2: Julian Barbour replies that arguing over past and future is to miss what really matters.
http://iainews.iai.tv/articles/diekemper...2-auid-630

PART 3: Diekemper underlines the necessity of philosophy to our understanding of time.
http://iainews.iai.tv/articles/diekemper...3-auid-639

PART 4: Barbour disagrees: science will ultimately always take precedence over philosophy.
https://iainews.iai.tv/articles/diekempe...4-auid-640


EXCERPT: In response to Joseph Diekemper, I think science will ultimately always take precedence over philosophy, which, I would say, is at its best when questioning existing concepts and suggesting ideas to science.

Moving on to the specific points, Diekemper says his "definition of the passage of time would be stated in terms of events having occurred". But how do you know an event has occurred? I think the minimum requirement is a difference in the world; I should have emphasized difference rather than change. Moreover, in connection with what we call the passage of time, the nature of the difference is generally very characteristic. Take two photos of me a decade apart. They are different; moreover, the whole Julian looks older in one than in the other. It is not the case that my face looks older but my hands younger.

When it comes to real disagreement, Joseph says my view "entails that the change which we both take to be fundamental to our experience of time is illusory and non-existent. There is no real change on his view, there are just three-dimensional slices – the Nows – eternally coexisting, and these never change."

I agree that in my view each Now is fixed once and for all. But, first, every Now is richly structured and, second, every Now is different from every other Now. And, if my concept is correct, all the Nows can be arranged uniquely in a timeline on the basis of the differences between them. Neither the structure in each Now nor the differences between them is illusory.

What we call the passage of time has three aspects: first, what we experience in each instant is richly structured (certainly if we have our eyes open); second, no two instants are exactly alike; third, we see things moving. Of these three I only question the third (I suspect it is an artefact of the brain's creation of what we experience in consciousness). The first two are definitely not illusory. Thus, when Joseph claims my theory implies "every aspect of our experience of the world would be pervaded by illusion", that is definitely not correct. I have never dreamed of denying the first two of the aspects of experience I listed above. I don't think anyone would do that. I only question the fleeting third. In that, I am certainly not alone.

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(Nov 12, 2017 10:49 PM)C C Wrote: Philosophers of science go back to the drawing-board
https://www.theguardian.com/science/life...challenges

EXCERPT: [...] I am a philosopher of science and I have taken an active interest in DES (Dark Energy Survey) over the past few years because DES — like most of the high-energy physics currently going on at CERN, which is also part of my research interests — raise important and surprisingly analogous methodological questions about how evidence, model-building, and ultimately theory choice are deeply inter-related.

[...] A typical measure of scientific success is the ability of a scientific theory to deliver novel predictions, which — if experimentally proved — might constitute an important advance for our scientific knowledge. Philosophy of science has built an industry around confirmation theory. But unprecedented methodological challenges are facing contemporary cosmology and particle physics today. These challenges force philosophers to go back to the drawing-board and re-think some of the traditional ways of thinking about scientific progress in cutting-edge areas, where fast-growing technologies are delivering an unprecedented wealth of experimental data, and model-building is crucial in the interface between experimentalists and theoreticians. Two major methodological challenges arise equally in contemporary cosmology and particle physics....

MORE: https://www.theguardian.com/science/life...challenges

if one perceives a wave form...
then assimilates that wave form pattern to metric interpretation...
Then looks at what nature of form might be un-measurable once a measure has been gauged...
constantly applying the same system of measurement/analysis to new data may not result in the fundermental nature of what the new data might be rendering.

the conventional wisdom is that we know the metric quantitative dimensions of the field that is being analysed...
however when we then conceptualise the possibility of a different form of wave(data/experiential anomaly etc...)
e.g


[Image: 1200px-Waveforms.svg.png]
[Image: 1200px-Waveforms.svg.png]



e.g some food for thought

how do we meausure faster than light speed ?
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Syne Offline
I really liked Julian Barbour's book End of Time, and overall, I do side with him. I think time is a physical process, amenable to science.
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