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A Frightening Myth about Sex Offenders

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Secular Sanity Offline
When Junk Science about Sex Offenders Infects the Supreme Court

Driven by a pervasive fear of sexual predators, and facing no discernible opposition, politicians have become ever more inventive in dreaming up ways to corral and marginalize those forced to register—a category which itself has expanded radically and come to include those convicted of “sexting,” having consensual sex with non-minor teenagers or even urinating in public.

And when these restrictions have been challenged in court, judge after judge has justified them based on a Supreme Court doctrine that allows such restrictions, thanks to the “frightening and high” recidivism rate ascribed to sex offenders—a rate the court pegged “as high as 80 percent.” The problem is this: The 80 percent recidivism rate is an entirely invented number.

As it turns out, the court found that number in a brief signed by Solicitor General Ted Olson.  The brief cited a Department of Justice manual, which in turn offered on one source for the 80 percent assertion: a Psychology Today article published in 1986.

That article was written not by a scientist but by a treatment provider who claimed to be able to essentially cure sex offenders though innovative “aversive therapies” including electric shocks and pumping ammonia into offenders’ noses via nasal cannulas.  The article offered no backup data, no scientific control group and no real way to fact check any of the assertions made to promote the author’s program.

Nonetheless, because the 80 percent figure suited the government lawyers’ aim of cracking down on sex offenders, Solicitor General Olson cited it, and Justice Anthony Kennedy, seemingly without fact-checking it, adopted the figure in a 2002 opinion that Justices William Regnquist, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas joined.  Their decision blew open the doors to the glut of sex offender restrictions that followed.

But in the 30 years since that Psychology Today article was published, there have been hundreds of evidence-based, scientific studies on the question of recidivism rate for sex offenders.  The results of those studies are astonishingly consistent: Convicted sex offenders have among the lowest rates of same-crime recidivism of any category of offender.
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Syne Offline
Recidivism is only part of the story, and focusing on it alone runs a very real risk of not only being a rape-apologist but also promoting policies that endanger many more.

"Due to the frequency with which sex crimes are not reported to police, the disparity between the number of sex offenses reported and those solved by arrest, and the disproportionate attrition of certain sex offenses and sex offenders within the criminal justice system, researchers widely agree that observed recidivism rates are underestimates of the true reoffense rates of sex offenders. Hidden offending presents significant challenges for professionals working in sex offender management as it is difficult to know whether offenders who appear to be nonrecidivists based on official records are truly offense free." - https://www.smart.gov/SOMAPI/sec1/ch5_recidivism.html
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Syne Offline
Posting that article is just part and parcel with people on the left making excuses for Sharia law, pedophilia, etc..
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(Sep 23, 2017 03:44 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Driven by a pervasive fear of sexual predators [...]


Definitely should fear them more than murderers (when both traits aren't combined together in an individual, with a dash of sadistic torture and maiming prior to the coup de grâce). Any drunken guy or gal at a party who wanders out and moons a group of trick or treatin' kids or obliviously takes a leak or dump in front of them deserves to endure a lifetime of knocking on the doors of each neighborhood they move into and reporting that they're a sex fiend. Sock the stigma to them as many years as possible.

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(Sep 23, 2017 07:04 PM)Syne Wrote: Posting that article is just part and parcel with people on the left making excuses for Sharia law, pedophilia, etc..

Really?

(Sep 23, 2017 09:20 PM)C C Wrote:
(Sep 23, 2017 03:44 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Driven by a pervasive fear of sexual predators [...]


Definitely should fear them more than murderers (when both traits aren't combined together in an individual, with a dash of sadistic torture and maiming prior to the coup de grâce). Any drunken guy or gal at a party who wanders out and moons a group of trick or treatin' kids or obliviously takes a leak or dump in front of them deserves to endure a lifetime of knocking on the doors of each neighborhood they move into and reporting that they're a sex fiend. Sock the stigma to them as many years as possible.  

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I know, right?  Jamar Pinkney’s and Phillip Alpert’s stories got to me.  

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Syne Offline
How does a murder of the offender in any way diminish the atrocity of molestation?
How does calling an adult a "teen" diminish sharing pornography of a minor?

Sympathy for evil can be just as damaging as vigilantism. What if the father had sent him to therapy? What if it didn't help? What if he later molested some else...who then took their own life...or worse, became a predator themselves?

What if the 16 yr old girl killed herself? Would anyone be lamenting the fate of the 18 yr old "teen"?
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(Sep 24, 2017 04:46 AM)Syne Wrote: How does a murder of the offender in any way diminish the atrocity of molestation?
How does calling an adult a "teen" diminish sharing pornography of a minor?

They're punishments that don't fit the crimes.

Syne Wrote:Sympathy for evil can be just as damaging as vigilantism. What if the father had sent him to therapy? What if it didn't help? What if he later molested some else...who then took their own life...or worse, became a predator themselves?

What if the 16 yr old girl killed herself? Would anyone be lamenting the fate of the 18 yr old "teen"?

No. It’s common sense and good judgement.

Even with the uncertain estimate of under-reported sexual assaults given by RAINN, the percentage is still nowhere near the highly acclaimed 80%.

"The empirical evidence clearly demonstrates that different types of sex offenders have a different propensity to reoffend.  This suggest that different recidivism-reduction policies and practices are needed for different types of sex offenders. Policies and practices that take into account the differential reoffending risks posed be different types of sex offenders are likely to be more effective and cost-beneficial that those that treat sex offenders as a largely homogenous group."

They’re right.  We should be able to look to our highest court and expect decisions to be based on reason and science rather than fear.
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Syne Offline
(Sep 25, 2017 02:00 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Sep 24, 2017 04:46 AM)Syne Wrote: How does a murder of the offender in any way diminish the atrocity of molestation?
How does calling an adult a "teen" diminish sharing pornography of a minor?

They're punishments that don't fit the crimes.
Again, does that in any way diminish the atrocity of molestation or an adult sharing child porn?
Should it be a slap on the wrist that doesn't deter any future predators?
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Syne Wrote:Sympathy for evil can be just as damaging as vigilantism. What if the father had sent him to therapy? What if it didn't help? What if he later molested some else...who then took their own life...or worse, became a predator themselves?

What if the 16 yr old girl killed herself? Would anyone be lamenting the fate of the 18 yr old "teen"?

No. It’s common sense and good judgement.

Even with the uncertain estimate of under-reported sexual assaults given by RAINN, the percentage is still nowhere near the highly acclaimed 80%.

"The empirical evidence clearly demonstrates that different types of sex offenders have a different propensity to reoffend.  This suggest that different recidivism-reduction policies and practices are needed for different types of sex offenders. Policies and practices that take into account the differential reoffending risks posed be different types of sex offenders are likely to be more effective and cost-beneficial that those that treat sex offenders as a largely homogenous group."

They’re right.  We should be able to look to our highest court and expect decisions to be based on reason and science rather than fear.

Again, "... it is difficult to know whether offenders who appear to be nonrecidivists based on official records are truly offense free." - https://www.smart.gov/SOMAPI/sec1/ch5_recidivism.html

So how would you go about establishing recidivism rates for different offenses? How would you determine whether one type of offense were predictably isolated from another? And where did that source say anything about the "highest court"?
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(Sep 25, 2017 06:36 PM)Syne Wrote: Again, does that in any way diminish the atrocity of molestation or an adult sharing child porn?

Should it be a slap on the wrist that doesn't deter any future predators?

Again, no, but the punishment should fit the crime.

Syne Wrote:So how would you go about establishing recidivism rates for different offenses? How would you determine whether one type of offense were predictably isolated from another? And where did that source say anything about the "highest court"?

The answers are not on the page that you linked, but they are within the site that you linked. The source that mentioned the "highest court" was in my original post.

Jeez, talk about lazy.
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