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When You Think it Should be Happening

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Zinjanthropos Offline
(Aug 5, 2017 01:57 AM)Syne Wrote: Not bad here, Zin. Good topic, BTW.

I would agree that intelligent life, if it even exists elsewhere, is likely very rare. But even aside from that, humans haven't existed long...relative to the cosmic timescale. So why would we expect any other intelligent life to exist concurrently enough with our own for signals to be detected? Electromagnetic signals weaken by the inverse-square law with distance...making them increasingly noisy and difficult to detect.

Can't be bothered to look up his name but the head guy at SETI said in a recent TED talk that with their new high tech detection equipment that he expects an alien signal will be found within the next 20 years.

While the iron is hot I think I'll press on and add another item to the 'why isn't it happening' list. I understand there more than science issues but I'm going to continue in that vein until somebody wants to change gears.

What is going on with stored power? I'm talking about a long lasting, cheap, affordable, compact battery. I don't think lithium looks like the answer. I even read where many lithium battery manufacturing plants have had many major fires to match their lack of success. It seems to me like the work to discover the holy grail of batteries has slowed down immensely and just maybe a new approach is necessary.

The electric car industry is waiting to bust out but long lasting power supply seems to be a major stumbling block at this time. Are researchers/scientists losing faith in finding the prize or is their attention being diverted elsewhere. This reminds me somewhat of the cold fusion reactor furor and failure. Actually read somewhere that CF is back on the drawing board amd maybe it's list worthy.
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Syne Offline
(Aug 5, 2017 03:16 AM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Can't be bothered to look up his name but the head guy at SETI said in a recent TED talk that with their new high tech detection equipment that he expects an alien signal will be found within the next 20 years.
I'm pretty sure I've heard that one before. Maybe it was just predictions about catastrophic climate change that never materialized (count the catastrophic part as my addition to the list).
Can't blame someone at SETI for trying to keep the funding rolling in.
Quote:While the iron is hot I think I'll press on and add another item to the 'why isn't it happening' list. I understand there more than science issues but I'm going to continue in that vein until somebody wants to change gears.

What is going on with stored power?  I'm talking about a long lasting, cheap, affordable, compact battery. I don't think lithium looks like the answer. I even read where many lithium battery manufacturing plants have had many major fires to match their lack of success. It seems to me like the work to discover the holy grail of batteries has slowed down immensely and just maybe a new approach is necessary.

The electric car industry is waiting to bust out but long lasting power supply seems to be a major stumbling block at this time. Are researchers/scientists losing faith in finding the prize or is their attention being diverted elsewhere. This reminds me somewhat of the cold fusion reactor furor and failure. Actually read somewhere that CF is back on the drawing board amd maybe it's list worthy.

I'm not so sure power storage is missing, but charging speed may be. After all, the only thing really holding back the electric car industry is infrastructure...which stations to swap batteries to compete with the convenience of quick "fill ups" is far more expensive than fast charging batteries. Probably just the other side of the same coin though. Either capacity or speed would solve the barrier to widespread adoption.
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Zinjanthropos Offline
Give me the hybrid. I remember the natural gas fuel conversion rage, the infrastructure wasn't there either but at least you still could run gasoline. I liked it, my engine ran so clean but the system wasn't perfect and subject to several irritating malfunctions. That and the NG fuel tank took away trunk space and looked like something dropped from a B29.
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RainbowUnicorn Offline
(Aug 3, 2017 05:14 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: IMHO and perhaps that of others, the weirdest stuff is that which never occurs when you think it should.

Don't know if I'm alone in this line of thinking but if we are a magnet for LGM and their flying machines then why can't we hear their chatter or pick up communication signals? Furthermore, what chance does  SETI have when we can't get in touch with the aliens already observing, circling, touching down, or crashing into the planet?

If there are genuine  claims of listening in on LGM then why are we even bothering with SETI?

excellent question, while i do not wish to be a nay-sayer to SETI, it does occur to me that if a civilisation reaches the technology level of being able to travel between stars, then it probably uses a form of communication that we are yet to be able to detect, assuming even once we do get to that level of technology, we can then de-crypt it.
what if its 500GB encryption(making up crazy numbers) of point to point quantum particle duality communication systems that require a corresponding encoding of quantum material to effectively pick up the signal...
like finger prints being 1 in 6 billion.
technalogically we may be only up to 3 billion decoding technology or like mapping the genome.
im all for SETI because even if it wont work it still gives invaluble inspiration to children to become scientists and further increase our species technalogical development, without which we might start going backwards.
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Zinjanthropos Offline
Seems to me RU that when the first "I Love Lucy" show appears on the listening devices of a civilization far far away that it might be thought of as some sort of code. They would have to dumb it down whereas we always seem to have a need to elevate Angel
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RainbowUnicorn Offline
(Aug 4, 2017 08:24 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: How's things going Syne?

I'm inclined to agree with you somewhat re life created from scratch because I suspect the key ingredient has either long since left the confines of the universe, had an expiry date or has morphed into something. No idea what it might be though and hope I'm wrong about anything missing.

My thoughts on intelligent life in the universe is that it may be very rare, perhaps something in the line of 1 in every million galaxies or even greater. The odds of us meeting them may be astronomically stacked against it ever happening. Other life incapable of producing the technology to communicate with us is more likely out there, IMHO.

our position in the galaxy defines us as being the "out in the boon docks".
statistically life is a certainty.
black smokers

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/huTJlHMR_LE

astroids
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1504...trial-life

Comets
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf046/sf046p05.htm

i would suggest that life is the rule not the exception.
it is just that we are soo far out from other sources that we are the exception by our locality.
Regardles of our species specific issues around total self annihilation genocide societal economic canabalism etc etc
as a species the majority are still in the cultural dark ages. why would any intelligent life make themselves a target of human madness ?
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#17
Syne Offline
Huge difference between life and intelligent life.
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#18
Zinjanthropos Offline
Ever wonder why psychics aren't winning the lotteries? In the same vein, why aren't hospitals staffed with faith healers, other than not being approved by medical associations. Still, people who believe in it should be lobbying gov't to allow faith healers a licence to practice. Don't see any of these things happening.
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Syne Offline
(Aug 12, 2017 04:04 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Ever wonder why psychics aren't winning the lotteries? In the same vein, why aren't hospitals staffed with faith healers, other than not being approved by medical associations. Still, people who believe in it should be lobbying gov't to allow faith healers a licence to practice. Don't see any of these things happening.

What precautions do ghost hunters take when they die? Do they try to pick a good place to haunt for eternity?

At least UFO abductees seem to think the aliens can find them no matter where they go. Maybe the faith healers gave up, just like the abductees calling the police.
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