Why female sex robots are more dangerous than you think

[Zinjanthropos]

I know, a sex robot for priests or any avowed celibates. How would the Vatican handle that? Might be ok as long as their priests don't ask for kid sized model. Those poor sex robots are in more danger than we think.

Oh well, back to the robot porn channel.

[Secular Sanity]

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/32-lWF66Uu4

I spent the entire week with a large group of family and friends.  I brought up the topic of child sex robots and sex dolls.  We discussed the current ongoing case in Canada.

Canada’s Child Sex Doll Trial Raises Uncomfortable Questions About Paedophilia and the Law

"What is interesting about the case is that past case law on child pornography and obscenity in Canada has primarily focused on visual, audiovisual, or written representations—that is, on images or stories rather than on three-dimensional objects," Anita Lam, a criminology professor at York University, told VICE.

As the courts prepare to tackle the sex doll case, Harrisson's trial contains larger implications on legal, moral, and scientific levels. The most prominent question being raised is whether having a child sex doll automatically makes the owner a pedophile.

Experts that study pedophilia aren't so sure.

"Some people remain who have the belief that giving into one's sexual fantasy makes a person more into whatever it is he or she is into; that somehow masturbating to an image of a child is what makes a person into a pedophile," said Dr. James Cantor, a pedophilia expert and University of Toronto-based researcher who specializes in the neuroscience of sex.

Essentially, according to Cantor, not all pedophiles are technically child molesters, and conversely, not all child pornography users are pedophiles or child molesters, either.

"People are uncomfortable with [the idea of a child sex doll] because they think it might cause a person to become pedophilic, but there's no evidence [to suggest that]," Cantor added, likening the government's case against Harrisson to "witch-hunting" and something of a thought crime.

Interestingly, the room was completely divided by gender.  All the females felt that if allowed, it would normalize it, and normalization would be dangerous.  All of the males felt that it would be therapeutic and preventative.

[RainbowUnicorn]

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/32-lWF66Uu4

I spent the entire week with a large group of family and friends.  I brought up the topic of child sex robots and sex dolls.  We discussed the current ongoing case in Canada.

Canada’s Child Sex Doll Trial Raises Uncomfortable Questions About Paedophilia and the Law

"What is interesting about the case is that past case law on child pornography and obscenity in Canada has primarily focused on visual, audiovisual, or written representations—that is, on images or stories rather than on three-dimensional objects," Anita Lam, a criminology professor at York University, told VICE.

As the courts prepare to tackle the sex doll case, Harrisson's trial contains larger implications on legal, moral, and scientific levels. The most prominent question being raised is whether having a child sex doll automatically makes the owner a pedophile.

Experts that study pedophilia aren't so sure.

"Some people remain who have the belief that giving into one's sexual fantasy makes a person more into whatever it is he or she is into; that somehow masturbating to an image of a child is what makes a person into a pedophile," said Dr. James Cantor, a pedophilia expert and University of Toronto-based researcher who specializes in the neuroscience of sex.

Essentially, according to Cantor, not all pedophiles are technically child molesters, and conversely, not all child pornography users are pedophiles or child molesters, either.

"People are uncomfortable with [the idea of a child sex doll] because they think it might cause a person to become pedophilic, but there's no evidence [to suggest that]," Cantor added, likening the government's case against Harrisson to "witch-hunting" and something of a thought crime.

Interestingly, the room was completely divided by gender.  All the females felt that if allowed, it would normalize it, and normalization would be dangerous.  All of the males felt that it would be therapeutic and preventative.

so a tyrannosaurus sex robot is ok ?
what about a make-believe alien with several heads arms legs and other extremely non human apendages and features ?
what about a sex "cube"
can the arguement stand by replacing the human symbolism with a cube ?
is the innate point of conflict with the sex or with the  representation being human-like ?
is the "offence" of symbolism defined by the unwilling observer ?
or... is there some type of projective xenophobic transferance in play ?

how is this different in consequences from raising an animal just to kill it and eat it ?
is creating a living life to kill it different ? and if so how is it different to this debate ?
is the "abuse" and "behaviour" normalisation already defined inside a working paradigm of forced behaviour to seek compliance of others ?

has that pre-defined forced compliance of others been defined clearly for the debate ?

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and... how does this as a symbolic consequence define treating robots as slaves, not paying those robots for domestic tasks and not giving them holidays ?
surely the symbolic consequences of a robot slave is equally as problematic as a sex robot of any type regardles of the robots design(what it looks like).

should all domestic help robots be made to NOT look like a human because it encourages slavery ?
should all domestic robots have video cameras and microphones to report the owner to the police if they abuse the domestic help robot ?

[RainbowUnicorn]

is it ok to order a domestic robot with a skin colour that is not your own ?
would it be racially degrading to have black skinned domestic robots ?

would you be legally forced to only buy a domestic robot of your own skin colour ?

[RainbowUnicorn]

obviousely one must ask about Bondage & Discipline Sex Robots as the robots are unable to give consent and thus any such like sexual association falls into the same bracket of behavioural normalisation.

[Zinjanthropos]

obviousely one must ask about Bondage & Discipline Sex Robots as the robots are unable to give consent and thus any such like sexual association falls into the same bracket of behavioural normalisation.

Mechanosexuals (?)* will be no different than any other alternative lifestyle group. I wonder if it's an abomination before the Lord yet. Are we committing hate crimes too, just by talking about it?

*Not sure if there is a word for people who prefer robot sex

[Secular Sanity]

Is the innate point of conflict with the sex or with the representation being human-like ?

The representation.  

"If we decide to treat human-looking objects merely as objects, would that eventually lead to us objectifying humans, too? It is unclear how human compassion, or the lack thereof, toward AI will affect our real life relationships. But there is the worrisome possibility that our freedom to treat human-seeming tech in any manner we like (all the way from being rude to physical abuse and sex-without-will) may transfer to normalizing those actions in our human relationships. In other words, society’s push toward humanizing AI could have the unintended consequence of the dehumanization of actual humans."

Is it unethical to design robots to resemble humans?


What do you think, RainbowUnicorn?  How do you feel about this?

[C C]

so a tyrannosaurus sex robot is ok ? what about a make-believe alien with several heads arms legs and other extremely non human apendages and features ?

As well as an older fabulist tradition probably being the route that pedophile robotics will take. In parts of the world where there are legal obstacles, they'll circumvent those by designing mythical creature humanoids that have child-like physical characteristics (fairies, cherubs, etc). "No, no -- you pitchfork wielders don't understand. These are fully grown adult humanoids that the purchaser can violate."

[...] should all domestic robots have video cameras and microphones to report the owner to the police if they abuse the domestic help robot ?

Consider the jealousy that might arise when social activism shifts to robot rights being the centerpiece of attention. Older human group identities will be piqued, since there will still be issues of their own that such still feel need to be addressed -- even if career agitators decided to move on to the new, richer hunting grounds because there were scarcer pickings in the classic unfairness and exploitation territories. Whereas justice for animals and justice for people arguably seem to co-exist peacefully today, a key difference possibly invoking venomous rivalry with robots is that they will be taking away human jobs.

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[C C]

Is the innate point of conflict with the sex or with the representation being human-like ?

The representation.  

"If we decide to treat human-looking objects merely as objects, would that eventually lead to us objectifying humans, too? It is unclear how human compassion, or the lack thereof, toward AI will affect our real life relationships. But there is the worrisome possibility that our freedom to treat human-seeming tech in any manner we like (all the way from being rude to physical abuse and sex-without-will) may transfer to normalizing those actions in our human relationships. In other words, society’s push toward humanizing AI could have the unintended consequence of the dehumanization of actual humans."

Is it unethical to design robots to resemble humans?

In the past, there was a distinction made that American consumers tended to want robots that were non-human like, whereas Japan tended to go the opposite direction. Some of this was attributed to the West's tendency to fear robots due to the negative way they were often portrayed in fiction. Japan's love affair with robots is often traced to historic religious beliefs, as well as a classic tradition of puppetry.

Sex robots will doubtless fuel a continuing shift to more anthropomorphic machines in the US. If the pedophiles are legally hindered, they might patronize Asian-ethnic mechanical dolls from populations where the adults are small in stature. In addition to any manufacturers that might produce the mythical fairies and the like. Sickness seems to always find a way to at least get an approximation of what it wants. [Just had to get some last whacks in with that "sickness" hammer before Social Utopian Micro-Management declares it unacceptable in application to NAMBLA folk. ]


Why Japanese Love Robots (And Americans Fear Them)
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/42118...fear-them/

EXCERPT: The affection of a certain island nation for all things robotic – from hundred foot tall warfighting mecha to infantile therapy robots – is well known. It contrasts sharply with the equally entrenched Western fear of automatons, beginning with the very invention of the term “robot,” which was coined in a Czech play that debuted in 1921 in which, naturally, the robots eventually rise up and kill their human masters. How could two cultures come to such fundamentally divergent conclusions about the status and future of the semi-autonomous helpmates whose increasing presence in our lives seems pre-ordained by nearly every sci-fi vision of the future? Heather Knight, founder of the world’s first (non-industrial) robot census, has made the study of robot / human interaction her life’s work. She posits that the difference between Japanese and American attitudes toward robots is rooted in something much older than even the idea of robots: religion. “In Japan… they’re culturally open to robots, on account of animism. They don’t make a distinction between inanimate objects and humans.”

https://m.thevintagenews.com/2016/12/29/...do-period/
http://www.karakuri.info/perspectives/

EXCERPTS: Karakuri puppets are incredibly sophisticated traditional Japanese mechanized puppets or automata, originally made between the 17th century and the 19th century. These early Japanese contraptions were the ancestors of modern robots, and are often seen as a result of the interaction of Western technology and Eastern philosophy and world view.

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The Karakuri tradition continues to influence the Japanese view of robots. [...] The view that all things have a spirit is still alive and strong in Japan. They believe not only animals, but also nature and inanimate objects have spirit, and tend to project this sense into their robots and machines. [...] Robots are seen as friends with superhuman intelligence and real feelings.

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[Secular Sanity]

Wow, the colorful little unicorn always wants answers but avoids any direct examination.  

What do you think, C C?

We’re talking about 100% pure sexual objectification—taking an inanimate object and giving it human social and sexual characteristics.  We’re creating mechanical humans as a means to another’s end. We'll be providing people with realistic fantasies, a new reality, in which they have total control. This will become part of their daily existence.  If their emotional and social development occurs within these self-centered fantasies, could it potentially retard their empathy towards others?  Could it lead to a dissociative state?