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Why are utopian communities short-lived?

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C C Offline
https://aeon.co/essays/like-start-ups-mo...s-fail-why

EXCERPT: [...] Why then do utopian communities so often fail? Interestingly, attrition rates for intentional communities are not all that different from many other types of human endeavour. The failure rate for start-ups is around 90 per cent, and the longevity of most companies is dismal: of the Fortune 500 companies listed in 1955, more than 88 per cent are gone; meanwhile, S&P companies have an average lifespan of just 15 years. Can we really expect more longevity from experimental communities? And if not, what can we learn from an audit of these experiments? What have been the key factors undermining communitarian living?

Perhaps the irony is that many of the administrative and managerial forces that individuals are running away from within mainstream society are exactly the organisational tools that would make intentional communities more resilient: that regardless of how much intentional communities with utopian aims seek to step to one side of worldly affairs, they succeed or fail for the very same pragmatic reasons that other human enterprises – notably businesses and start-ups – succeed or fail.

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The Shakers, one of the more successful communities in US history, numbered more than 6,000 at their mid-19th-century height. Their success owed to a religious philosophy of hard work, honesty and frugality, which made them good farmers and artisans – that famous furniture! But ultimately, even with their artisanal viability, their practice of celibacy – procreation was forbidden to members of the community – undermined their sustainability. Without human reproduction, the Shakers relied on active recruitment, and celibacy wasn’t an attractive proposition to many. Today, the last Shaker village in Maine has a population of two. In contrast, the Amish – whose families produce, on average, five children – number more than 300,000.

Unusually, the Amish practice of ‘shunning’ has proved quite effective for retaining the young in the Amish lifestyle. Shunning excludes those who have transgressed community rules from commercial dealings and common social interactions (eating meals, exchanging gifts) with Amish members. It’s a way of creating a tight boundary around the community that maintains the culture, while threatening social suicide to members tempted to default from the Church.

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Today’s experiments in intentional communities benefit from the ease with which best practice and know-how can travel digitally. Experience, wisdom and insight can be shared with a click. Moreover, advances in the science of management have come a long way since the early days of utopian communes, making it easier to collaborate, manage projects and make collective decisions.

But the art of culture-building remains a thornier challenge – one that our ancestral utopias knew all too well. One aspect of that struggle is that business models for many intentional communities remain elusive, or unformed. Self-sufficiency, for example, often means not taking advantage of economies of scale that can support growing populations. At the same time, many communities are chagrined to find themselves servicing voyeurs and tourists for needed cash, which brings ‘mission drift’ to their organisations and a departure from their founding vision. That said, contemporary communities can benefit from the rise of freelancers and digital working, which reduces the agrarian burden and the pressure of self-sufficiency, allowing for more diverse revenue as communities contract with the outside world. Amish e-retailers are one sign of this growing trend.

If today’s communities offer escape from the cult of individualism only to end up being ‘walled gardens’ for a privileged class of bohemians, entrepreneurs or spiritual seekers, then perhaps, for all their material success, they might yet be said to have failed. Whether today’s collaborative experiments will create tentacles into more diverse populations or tackle agendas of social justice and economic inequality remains to be seen. Perhaps a more useful construct than intentional community is the idea of ‘shadow culture’, defined by Taylor as a ‘vast unorganised array of discrete individuals who live and think different from the mainstream, but who participate in its daily activities’. Shadow cultures have the potential to hold distinct values, but also utilise the infrastructure and opportunities of mass society. In many ways, then, utopias are only ever tightly glued pockets of shadow culture that mistakenly parade themselves as isolated entities....
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stryder Offline
I'd say that smaller short lived communities are a necessity as communities evolve so therefore follow evolutionary traits. The problem with the larger well established communities (Countries) is they are rife with bureaucracy which tends to be corrupted the older it gets. Established older laws being push to the rear as newer more prominent ones take root. This is also mirrored in the older citizenry having particularly predefined positions on how their community should be effected and they tend to hold onto those views with far more regard than those younger citizens try to adapt and evolve with the times. (You can see this with any country were democracy exists)

A metaphor would be between how an old oak tree might distort as it ages from the constant barrage of environment effects and interaction of other flora and fauna over the years. Compared to a young oak that might stand straight and true initially.

Utopian dynamics tends to evolve a dream, to a reality to a awoken nightmare. (At least that's where authors tend to purposely pull it down to before starting to write roles into the survival dynamics.)
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RainbowUnicorn Offline
The innate Nature of the human species is to evolve.
This has resulted in the species being around for hundreds of thousands of years.
some citys have existed for 1000 years.

on the other hand a cult is driven by radical atributes that have been normalised into their culture.
such radacal elements fail to pass the evoolutionary test and so they die out. like all things they fail to evolve and become extinct.

i ponder if radacl cults have become normalised soo much that they now pass as acredited communaties rather than extremist groups at conflict with the very nature of the species.

War & genocide have been a part of human culture for many tens of thousands of years.

it is only recently in the last 200 years that it has suddenly become socially unacceptable to butcher a village of people down to every last man women and child.

when you measure the evolutionary length of those processes that define the existance of communaties & cultures then the actual practice of non genocidal culture is very very new.

in fact... genocide as cultural practice is still currently going on in many places and many countrys.

a utopian society would need to be one that involved breeding & trade & a very VERY  powerful military dominance to prevent genocide and being militarily overthrown and having its resources stolen.
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