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US tourism industry in crisis

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RainbowUnicorn Offline
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39121276

it appears innitial reports from the industry show a massive 30% drop in tourism already this year which by my estimation will be the tip of the iceberg.
the usa tourism industry is facing massive job losses in the coming year.

undoubtedly the government and probably some of the tourism lobyists will be desperately trying to cover this up to prevent the full scale of the job losses and additional media showing the USA has dropped off the tourism hot list for international travellers.
there is quite likely to be ongoing massive losses to corporate events and corporate travel as big bissinuses are blocked from hosting dignatarys andscienntists from some of th ebanned countrys. not to mention the need to maintain a globally cohesive corporate structure to investors who may fear serious long term investment security with international companys unable to do beusiness as normal with key specialists and technical staff being banned from entering the USA.

your thoughts ?

now with the US customs demanding to clone all peoples personal computers, cell phones and laptops no data or corporate secrets are safe.
business conferences being held in the US now face massive corporate security threats from the US customs department gaining access to their inventions and highly sensitive corporate data.
all scientists travelling would be extremely unwise to carry any work they may be working on as this too is liable to be accessed and easily exploited causing hundreds of millions of dollars in losses and risk.
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C C Offline
Given the recent wiretapping accusations adding to growing examples, the 25th Amendment potentially allows a very tricky and unreliable process for removing Trump from office on the grounds of mental disability. Whichever of the four means by which the removal finally happens... Even if next POTUS Mike Pence continues to carry out some of Trump's plans to appease the latter's voters, there will at least be more civil dialogues, better details, and many adjustments to try to remedy the array of inconveniences and diminish the ominous shadows. Rhetorical questions will musing ensue, like: "Hooda thought a standard 'company man' of the party would elicit a mitigated sigh of relief from the world in contrast to the former independent / populist hijacker of Republican politics?"
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Yazata Offline
(Mar 3, 2017 12:36 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: it appears innitial reports from the industry show a massive 30% drop in tourism already this year which by my estimation will be the tip of the iceberg.

Most US tourism is domestic, Americans visiting other parts of the country. It's also seasonal in most places.

I live in a major tourist destination and I'll start to believe tourism is off a great deal if I see it with my own eyes next summer. (Summer is our tourist high season, even though it isn't the season with the best weather around here). Most of our tourists are domestic though we do get our share of Asians and young Euro-trash.

Quote:there is quite likely to be ongoing massive losses to corporate events and corporate travel as big bissinuses are blocked from hosting dignatarys andscienntists from some of th ebanned countrys.

Yeah right. [sarcasm]The United States hosts hordes of corporate travelers, dignitaries and scientists every year from Libya (a failed state), Yemen (a failed state), Somalia (a failed state) and Syria (a failed state).[/sarcasm] Iraq might send a handful and Iran could send quite a few if it wanted to, but US/Iranian relations have been severely strained since the Iranian Islamic Revolution in 1980.

All in all, I expect that the US only hosts a handful of visitors from all of those places combined. Losing that trickle won't impact our tourist industry at all.

I'll add that the US State Department has travel warnings in place for all of these countries, warning Americans not to visit them and for any Americans there to leave. (And no, that has nothing to do with Trump. The travel warnings were there during the Obama administration too.)

Quote:not to mention the need to maintain a globally cohesive corporate structure to investors who may fear serious long term investment security with international companys unable to do beusiness as normal with key specialists and technical staff being banned from entering the USA.

It's 'companies', not "companys", 'scientists' not "scienntists", 'businesses' not "bissinuses" and 'business', not "beusiness". Who wrote this text? Did it really come from the BBC?

I don't anticipate that many international corporations hire their "key specialists and technical staff" in those god-forsaken places.

Quote:your thoughts ?

This looks like just another example of 'fake news'.
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Yazata Offline
(Mar 5, 2017 12:59 AM)C C Wrote: Given the recent wiretapping accusations adding to growing examples, the 25th Amendment potentially allows a very tricky and unreliable process for removing Trump from office on the grounds of mental disability.

What seems to have triggered this latest bit of hysteria on the left is Trump's assertion that Obama and his people had Trump and his campaign's communications intercepted. That idea clearly isn't crazy if there are FISA applications to the secret intelligence court asking for the intercepts and if the requests were granted. That seems to in fact be the case. Whether that is technically a crime depends on whether there were any misrepresentations or omissions on the affidavit requesting the approval. (It isn't technically illegal under current law for a sitting president to use the intelligence agencies to try to undermine an election opponent, but he has to tell the truth and the whole truth in requesting court authorization.)

What's more, releasing the intercepts beyond the narrow circle authorized by law to possess them would also be a federal crime.

Given the widespread leaks of White House communications since Trump's inauguration, I'd guess that surveillance of Trump and his people is still underway by some disloyal "deep state" fifth-column hidden deep inside the government.

If any of this is true, then it's obviously a crisis, much bigger than Watergate. It would seem to be one of the biggest constitutional crises ever in American history, what amounts to  a slow-motion coup attempt by disloyal elements within the intelligence agencies, with the goal of subverting a legally elected administration and overturning the results of a democratic election. I don't believe that the US has ever experienced anything quite like that in its almost 250 years of history.

Opposing that kind of stuff isn't crazy, it's vitally important to ensuring that American democracy has a future.
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C C Offline
(Mar 5, 2017 07:38 PM)Yazata Wrote: Given the widespread leaks of White House communications since Trump's inauguration, I'd guess that surveillance of Trump and his people is still underway by some disloyal "deep state" fifth-column hidden deep inside the government. [...] Opposing that kind of stuff isn't crazy, it's vitally important to ensuring that American democracy has a future.


Previous administrations were plagued by leaks, so that in itself shouldn't be beyond the sphere of credibility. But making Obama the specific mastermind behind it all and then tagging on an aura of conspiracy wiretapping, after that bizarre press conference a few weeks back and the accumulation of other behaviors, was bound to send them into a renewed tizzy that Trump is nuts.

But OTOH, he's used "acting crazy" as a strategical tactic from the opening gun of his prior election campaign. By baiting and angering SJWs and Hillary with the pseudo hate-speech, he got them to constantly talk in response about special protections for illegal immigrants, gender, and various minority groups as if that was the sole thing that mattered to her about America. Turn on the news in the evening and there would be a video/audio bite of Democratic concern about only those specific areas. Which just turned-off yet more the alienated, job-related woes working class in the middle of the country.

I even saw ol' Slavoj Žižek on some interview show the other day pleading that the Democrat orthodoxy shift further left from the social engineering focus back to the older-style "Marxist spirit" of being a champion of the proletariat slash working class in the States. Additionally Patrick Stewart yearns to acquire US citizenship so he more rightfully can toss in his ten cents as an outsider. https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/ma...ight-trump
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Syne Offline
(Mar 5, 2017 12:59 AM)C C Wrote: Given the recent wiretapping accusations adding to growing examples, the 25th Amendment potentially allows a very tricky and unreliable process for removing Trump from office on the grounds of mental disability. Whichever of the four means by which the removal finally happens... Even if next POTUS Mike Pence continues to carry out some of Trump's plans to appease the latter's voters, there will at least be more civil dialogues, better details, and many adjustments to try to remedy the array of inconveniences and diminish the ominous shadows. Rhetorical questions will musing ensue, like: "Hooda thought a standard 'company man' of the party would elicit a mitigated sigh of relief from the world in contrast to the former independent / populist hijacker of Republican politics?"

Overly optimistic people keep making this "mental disability" claim, but I've yet to see any real evidence for it. Wishful thinking, at best.
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Yazata Offline
(Mar 5, 2017 12:59 AM)C C Wrote: Given the recent wiretapping accusations adding to growing examples, the 25th Amendment potentially allows a very tricky and unreliable process for removing Trump from office on the grounds of mental disability.

Mental disability? How does one get from Trump's angry assertion that his phones were tapped by the outgoing Obama administration to a conclusion of mental disability? What is the supposed logical connection? So far, nobody has laid out that argument or even tried to. It just looks like Trump's assertion provided his enemies with a great occasion to once again insult him. (Nothing new there, they've been doing it non-stop since the primaries, long before the election.)  

Trump's claim seems more than plausible to me. There's certainly nothing psychiatric about it.

The FISA requests asking the secret intelligence court to authorize surveillance are evidence.

One day before his inauguration, the January 19, 2017 New York Times ran a story about Trump and his people being investigated by the outgoing Obama administration for their fanciful contacts with the Russians. The very first sentence reads (highlighting by me), "American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump..."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/po....html?_r=2

The very lawyerly and artfully worded "denial" on Obama confidant Valerie Jarett's Twitter account is also confirmation of a sort.

That text says that Obama never ordered surveillance on Trump or any US citizen because his White House never interfered in independent Justice Department investigations. Which basically amounts to confirmation that the investigation referred to in the New York Times was indeed taking place, and it was (according to this version) coming from the Justice Department. (It's useful to remember that under Eric Holder and then Loretta Lynch, the Obama Justice Department was hugely politicized and functioned as the enforcement arm of the democratic party.) Obama's people now want to distance themselves from their own investigation as much as possible, which is very understandable.

https://twitter.com/valeriejarrett/statu...5168382976

I don't think that there's much question that it was happening and that it included communications intercepts.

The New York Times was happily reporting it as fact just a few weeks ago, secure in the belief that the news Trump was being investigated and his communications intercepted discredited his new Presidency.

Now suddenly the whole idea's a psychotic delusion. Amazing how quickly that turned.
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#9
RainbowUnicorn Offline
(Mar 6, 2017 05:24 AM)Yazata Wrote: (It's useful to remember that under Eric Holder and then Loretta Lynch, the Obama Justice Department was hugely politicized and functioned as the enforcement arm of the democratic party.)

i dont understand the war that the republican party started between government agencies.
why did they do that ?
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#10
RainbowUnicorn Offline
attempting to come back on topic.

i had not allowed for the off season in domestic tourism.
if the summer national tourism is the big money spinner then the winter downturn could be normally up to 40% naturally i would guess.
it seems impossible to find real data anywhere.
why is that ?

what i would like to know is total number of international visitors
i would like to know how much international tourism has increased or decreased over the last few years to see if there is any noticable patern.


my generic concern is that there will be an authority creep into national flights where people will be getting treated like they do at incoming international borders which will probably all but kill the national tourism for those who dont have much time to spare or the extra costs that will be put on as additional airport fees and price ticket increases to counter the dropping number of travellers and far greater waiting times in airports where airports wont be making as much money struggling to deal with large amounts of people being processed for hours so will then put prices up even more.
a snowballing effect... this snowballing effect is quite likely to force working class people to stay at home and go away less.


if this big brother police state mentality is rolled out into all airports then it is going to make going on holiday for low income people pretty much financially impossible.
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