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Spellbound Requesting Favor

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Syne Offline
(Jan 8, 2017 09:12 PM)Ostronomos Wrote:
(Jan 8, 2017 08:56 PM)Syne Wrote: No, I'm not a proponent of universal consciousness. If you have credible sources that show a rise in the prominence of the holographic principle in fields other than information technology (like physics), I'd be interested in seeing them, but I'm not going on a wild goose chase myself.

I do not think my inquiry warrants an appeal to cold and unattached superiority complexes and thought suppression. Such a strategy requires serious attention. So I will attempt to clarify my understanding of the nature of the word "hologram" as used in the holographic principle.

We do not say "All is holographic" by which we mean a 3 D hologram as used in information technology and computer images. Rather, the physical world of atoms and molecules are virtual and the other one is real. Although matter has a level of reality that is very basic and simple while consciousness is a higher level identification. It belongs to a "desert of the real" which can be identified as the entirety of the infinite cosmos which is indeed holographic as used in the theory. The hologram is a projection of a 2 D information structure such as a computer screen into 3 spatial dimensions. This is considered the most workable understanding according to modern sciences. May I ask, what year was The Holographic Principle written?

Universal consciousness is real and you have claimed theism. Now you are claiming otherwise?

Ah, another persecution complex.

Sorry, I meant to say, show the prominence in fields other than information theory, like how it applies to physics. I expected you to give me some links, but alas... Here's a few for you.

Controversial experiment sees no evidence that the universe is a hologram
A Radical New Experiment Has Finally Showed The Reality Of Holographic Principle

Theism does not require a universal consciousness, which is basically panpsychism. There are many types of theism, including monistic theism, pantheism, panentheism, etc. (and only pantheism could be said to perhaps require panpsychism).
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Ostronomos Offline
(Jan 8, 2017 10:06 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Jan 8, 2017 09:12 PM)Ostronomos Wrote:
(Jan 8, 2017 08:56 PM)Syne Wrote: No, I'm not a proponent of universal consciousness. If you have credible sources that show a rise in the prominence of the holographic principle in fields other than information technology (like physics), I'd be interested in seeing them, but I'm not going on a wild goose chase myself.

I do not think my inquiry warrants an appeal to cold and unattached superiority complexes and thought suppression. Such a strategy requires serious attention. So I will attempt to clarify my understanding of the nature of the word "hologram" as used in the holographic principle.

We do not say "All is holographic" by which we mean a 3 D hologram as used in information technology and computer images. Rather, the physical world of atoms and molecules are virtual and the other one is real. Although matter has a level of reality that is very basic and simple while consciousness is a higher level identification. It belongs to a "desert of the real" which can be identified as the entirety of the infinite cosmos which is indeed holographic as used in the theory. The hologram is a projection of a 2 D information structure such as a computer screen into 3 spatial dimensions. This is considered the most workable understanding according to modern sciences. May I ask, what year was The Holographic Principle written?

Universal consciousness is real and you have claimed theism. Now you are claiming otherwise?

Ah, another persecution complex.

Sorry, I meant to say, show the prominence in fields other than information theory, like how it applies to physics. I expected you to give me some links, but alas... Here's a few for you.

Controversial experiment sees no evidence that the universe is a hologram
A Radical New Experiment Has Finally Showed The Reality Of Holographic Principle

Theism does not require a universal consciousness, which is basically panpsychism. There are many types of theism, including monistic theism, pantheism, panentheism, etc. (and only pantheism could be said to perhaps require panpsychism).

If this is held true as measured by tests then I would happily stand corrected. However, one should not necessarily rule out the ontology of information and its entropy increasing effects. Permit me to follow up with the theory of universe as simulation: https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...imulation/
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Syne Offline
(Jan 8, 2017 10:31 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: If this is held true as measured by tests then I would happily stand corrected. However, one should not necessarily rule out the ontology of information and its entropy increasing effects. Permit me to follow up with the theory of universe as simulation: https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...imulation/

Read those links. All tests have failed to produce the expected results if the holographic principle of the universe were true. Theories that have not proven applicable to physics do not support the claim of its prominence. You cannot refute test results with wide-eyed speculation.
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(Jan 8, 2017 10:37 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Jan 8, 2017 10:31 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: If this is held true as measured by tests then I would happily stand corrected. However, one should not necessarily rule out the ontology of information and its entropy increasing effects. Permit me to follow up with the theory of universe as simulation: https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...imulation/

Read those links. All tests have failed to produce the expected results if the holographic principle of the universe were true. Theories that have not proven applicable to physics do not support the claim of its prominence. You cannot refute test results with wide-eyed speculation.


The second article conjectures that space falls under the holographic theory due to quantum uncertainty at the Planck scale. The first article says otherwise, so where do you stand?
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(Jan 8, 2017 10:49 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: The second article conjectures that space falls under the holographic theory due to quantum uncertainty at the Planck scale. The first article says otherwise, so where do you stand?

Considering it ended with...

"It did not detect the amount of correlated holographic noise - quantum jitter - that this pixelated model of space-time suggests. So ultimately Fermilab's Holometer proved this model of space-time wrong." - http://www.physics-astronomy.com/2015/12...HLIhPmzvYx

...I would say it's only conjecture. I don't have a preference for what the facts turn out to be. Facts are just facts.

A "pixelated" universe is something I toyed with before I understood much about physics.
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Ostronomos Offline
Well, that was fascinating. The mind can heal the brain btw. Since the mind generates essential information and imagery that computationally reads and writes commands for the brain to follow. A strange loop and healing algorithm.
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