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how-much-does-it-cost-US-taxpayers-each-year-to-fund-the-House-and-Senate

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is this capitalism or socialism ?
does it make any difference ?
how do you manage to spend 4 billion US$ per year and have nothing to show for it ?
should the Senate & House of Representaitves file for bankruptcy considering they are losing billions of dollars per year and not makinga profit ?

thoughts ?
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(Jan 1, 2017 11:53 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: is this capitalism or socialism ??


From both taxes and business / special interests.

Rank and file is $174,000 a year.

Majority Leader - $193,400
Minority Leader - $193,400

Speaker of the House - $223,500

But it's the "afterlife" which can follow a legislative career where one can get a skyrocketing "pay raise" in the millions. By working for lobbying firms, corporations, etc that promised _X_ job in exchange for congressmen being receptive to influence when they were in office. Not to mention the thousands which were irregularly funneled in prior to exit, via the facade of fundraising campaigns for election / reelection, when there's a need to circumvent direct donations and generous gifts that are forbidden. Mediators (lobbyist agencies) obscure the actual enterprises and interest groups, whether on the capitalist enterprises front or assorted societal movements.
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(Jan 2, 2017 02:02 AM)C C Wrote:
(Jan 1, 2017 11:53 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: is this capitalism or socialism ??


From both taxes and business / special interests.  

Rank and file is $174,000 a year.

Majority Leader - $193,400
Minority Leader - $193,400

Speaker of the House - $223,500

But it's the "afterlife" which can follow a legislative career where one can get a skyrocketing "pay raise" in the millions. By working for lobbying firms, corporations, etc that promised _X_ job in exchange for congressmen being receptive to influence when they were in office. Not to mention the thousands which were irregularly funneled in prior to exit, via the facade of fundraising campaigns for election / reelection, when there's a need to circumvent direct donations and generous gifts that are forbidden. Mediators (lobbyist agencies) obscure the actual enterprises and interest groups, whether on the capitalist enterprises front or assorted societal movements.
For someone on 24 hour a day 7 day a week call out i think this amount is fair.
doctors get a lot less and carry a much heavier burdon of responsibility while being legally liable at every turn.
comparatively it appears these people get money for as close to nothing as you can get without counting lavish luncheon meetings all paid for by tax payers where there is no required measured result from the meeting.
it surely is a bizar mix to have such massive loss and non profitability as a supposed role model of capitalist enterprise.
most politicians wont answer the phone outside standard business hours and only work around 20 hours a week at most.
which comparatively doubles their actual pay rate.
so by measure of any other profesion they get around half a million dollars per year for the amount of time they actually spend doing work.

conversly i do know of some politicians who spend all their personal weekend time (un paid and where they spend their own money helping pay for volunteers meals, transport etc..working for charitys and doing volunteer work and they are near the bottom of the pay scale at around 45k a year.
i have personally met such people and they are truly amazing to be in the company of.

it certainly appears that the more you pay politicians the less work you get out of them.
if a nation had universal health care free access and universal education i do not thinkit would be an issue.
however. such unbridled greed and extortion of power simply gives real world examples to children why they should break the law at any opportunity that presents its self.
a certainindividual was talking about banning x politicans from becoming lodyists.
that would only apply to those who had not signed any contract and would have no bearing what so ever to someone who became a consultant and patron to mushrooming(excuse the pun) charity organisations.
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(Jan 2, 2017 05:07 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: most politicians wont answer the phone outside standard business hours and only work around 20 hours a week at most.


They will often delegate personal interactions with ordinary people to the constituency caseworkers they hire. The television show "Brain Dead" made a flub in that department by having the character Laurel Healy working for her own brother, a US senator. Violating nepotism laws (as if minor errors really matter for a satire comedy).

Quote:conversly i do know of some politicians who spend all their personal weekend time (un paid and where they spend their own money helping pay for volunteers meals, transport etc..working for charitys and doing volunteer work and they are near the bottom of the pay scale at around 45k a year. i have personally met such people and they are truly amazing to be in the company of.


Yeah, we shouldn't subsume them all under stereotypical generalizations. Even some infamous ones probably earned figurative callouses from more psychologically grueling work than we'd seldom learn of after their tar and feathering by media.
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(Jan 2, 2017 11:21 PM)C C Wrote: They will often delegate personal interactions with ordinary people to the constituency caseworkers they hire. The television show "Brain Dead" made a flub in that department by having the character Laurel Healy working for her own brother, a US senator. Violating nepotism laws (as if minor errors really matter for a satire comedy).
If i am not mistaken several comments were made about children working for DT on the campaign.
the oldest son being called an "advisor" post election.
Because of the trend bent for egocentric dictatorship ideological leadership it would go hand in hand to have family members assume positions of power.

what is interesting is the difference between law & implied moral accountability.
it seems the US media mix both without making specific note to the legal imperatives.
it raises the ire of Voluntary self regulation which in a capitalist world is short hand for putting yourself last.
Bizar type of flip-flop morality that gets paraded out like a punch & judy show.


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Yeah, we shouldn't subsume them all under stereotypical generalizations. Even some infamous ones probably earned figurative callouses from more psychologically grueling work than we'd seldom learn of after their tar and feathering by media.
im not sure we should roll out the champagne and caviar for the self indulgent night of the long knives quite yet.
Employers dont pay their employees for doing nothing thus i dont think capitalist values are served by giving corporate-welfare to people just because they have managed to jump a flaming hoop some years ago.
they should be producing something
not just sitting on a lordy thrown making self important media releases.
bourges socialism seems to be what most of these (politician)self acclaimed capitalist want for themselves but then nothing remotely centralised for the working class apart from the cost effective quick and merciless collection of taxs and smarting incarciration pre-judice.
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