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Classism in our daily lives

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Magical Realist Offline
(Nov 20, 2016 01:15 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Nov 19, 2016 06:33 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Nov 19, 2016 07:06 AM)Syne Wrote: But the sentiment holds for the category of qualifier for which I gave examples, which include social, economic, organizational, corporate (corporate social responsibility), and environmental justice. These are all forms of distributive theories of justice, but we'll come back to that.

Similarly, distributive justice theories, like social justice, seeks to elevate some groups over others based solely on superficial distinctions instead of individual merit. That, itself, is racism/sexism/classism based solely on ethnicity/gender/economics, where individuals are unjustly penalized/rewarded not in accord with their own actions. Distributive theories are thus a way to mask bigotry/injustice by hiding it in group identities. This is why the classist descriptions given in the OP originate primarily from the political left.

Good,.So your absurd claim that any time justice is used with a qualifier means it is injustice is wrong. They're simply subcategoiries of the principle of justice. Thanks for confirming that. Oh and I meant civil justice.

They are theories of justice (not subcategories)...theories that prioritize collective justice and promote individual injustice. So my point stands. And they are not the same as methods and institutions that administer justice.


It's funny how you start an OP examining the classism prevalent of the left, but then can't stand to hear about the fundamental causes for that classism...e.g. collectivist theories of justice.

Uh no. They are not "theories" of justice. They are actual existing applications of justice in the various strata and domains of our society. And no, they don't "cause classicism." Classicism is caused by the ignorance and unfamiliarity of circulating in class specific social circles. It thrives on a peer enforced disdain and stereotyping of other classes based on nothing more than not relating to people of those classes. It is really just a form of social immaturity and herd bonding at the expense of others you don't know and don't intend to know. It bolsters group identity as being a member of a superior group. But it is a fake identity compensating for one's own sense of inferiority as a socially defined self.
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Syne Offline
(Nov 20, 2016 03:19 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Nov 20, 2016 01:15 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Nov 19, 2016 06:33 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Nov 19, 2016 07:06 AM)Syne Wrote: But the sentiment holds for the category of qualifier for which I gave examples, which include social, economic, organizational, corporate (corporate social responsibility), and environmental justice. These are all forms of distributive theories of justice, but we'll come back to that.

Similarly, distributive justice theories, like social justice, seeks to elevate some groups over others based solely on superficial distinctions instead of individual merit. That, itself, is racism/sexism/classism based solely on ethnicity/gender/economics, where individuals are unjustly penalized/rewarded not in accord with their own actions. Distributive theories are thus a way to mask bigotry/injustice by hiding it in group identities. This is why the classist descriptions given in the OP originate primarily from the political left.

Good,.So your absurd claim that any time justice is used with a qualifier means it is injustice is wrong. They're simply subcategoiries of the principle of justice. Thanks for confirming that. Oh and I meant civil justice.

They are theories of justice (not subcategories)...theories that prioritize collective justice and promote individual injustice. So my point stands. And they are not the same as methods and institutions that administer justice.


It's funny how you start an OP examining the classism prevalent of the left, but then can't stand to hear about the fundamental causes for that classism...e.g. collectivist theories of justice.

Uh no. They are not "theories" of justice. They are actual existing applications of justice in the various strata and domains of our society. And no, they don't "cause classicism." Any other insane claims you wanna make?

Distributive theories of justice are just that, theories. The existing applications are institutions that administer justice. These are two different things. But you're right, the institutions only cause classism to the extent that they forward distributive theories of justice. But I'm not claiming that institutions are the fundamental cause, so that would be a strawman.

The fact is that distributive justice is immoral, and since I've already supported that argument, I'll just wait and see if you ever manage to support your refute...you know, instead of empty ad hominems that are not arguments. Or I'd be happy to assume classism is just the bigotry of the left. Either way, you could stand some self-reflection.
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