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What are you listening to ...right now?

Leigha Offline

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/-EH4vyaxDJQ

(Jun 25, 2019 03:07 PM)C C Wrote:
(Jun 25, 2019 02:02 AM)Leigha Wrote: Probably just a byproduct/habit from my childhood upbringing of how to consider God. I've left faith and come back recently, and I believe that God embodies both female and male attributes. Not necessarily in a human condition kind of way, but that God represents both male and female. ''We'' were created in that likeness. I think ''he'' is a common way of referring to God, as ''it'' sounds impersonal, perhaps?


The Greco-Roman gods at least made pronoun selection easy via their genitals; and for the segment of Christian beliefs that deem "Jesus" to have been the embodied avatar of God on Earth, I guess that would be an additional source of "he/him" being justified. Albeit like other supernatural beings supposedly lacking sexual reproductive capacity from the start (angels, demons, God-not-incarnated) the groin package would be lost after resurrection or apotheosis to a spirit or whatever immortal entity classification. (Theologian Nancey Murphy, for instance, holds a rival view that resurrection revolves only around physical bodies that persist without deterioration. [see footnote, also])

If there are any gods of other cultures that can be legitimately construed as non-personhood agencies, then "it" might be applicable for one of those.

But otherwise, situation does indeed fall back on English and its lack of non-plural, gender-neutral personal pronouns (though English is hardly alone in that respect). The Spivak set of alternatives still isn't widely accepted or easily recognized when used.

Back when knowledge of biological gender was post-natal, circumstances could have been fairly weird in having to use "it" to refer to even a late-term unborn as a "thing".  Except everyone being forced to do that kind of mitigated such. (In fact, the lingering habit both then and now has people calling a baby "it" occasionally even after birth.)

- - - footnote - - -

Excerpt below from a much older "Closer To The Truth" episode than the one in the video link above.

NANCEY MURPHY:  Well this is a very interesting point of contact between science and  Christianity.  It may look to the outsider as though Christians have been dualists throughout their history, continue to be dualists…

ROBERT KUHN:  Dualists meaning…

NANCEY  MURPHY:  Believing in not just a body,  but some other component, generally called the soul, but the concept of soul at certain points in history is equivalent to the concept of mind. So a dualist is a person has been thought to be essential to Christianity. Now it looks as though the neuroscientists  are  coming  along  and  they’re saying, ah, there is no soul, in fact there is no substantial mind. It’s actually the brain or the nervous system that does all of the things that were once attributed to soul or mind. So it looks like yet another place where science encroaches and religion has to step back.

But in the, in the liberal half of Christianity, those who have a higher degree in theology are almost all phsyicalists.  

MICHAEL SCHERMER:  Really?  

ROBERT KUHN:  Physicalist meaning that there is no…

NANCEY MURPHY:  We’re just bodies.

ROBERT KUHN:  There is no non-physical element required to make us human beings.

NANCEY MURPHY: We’re just bodies. That’s right.

=BELOW FROM AN OLD INTERVIEW NO LONGER ON THE WEB=

MURPHY: "I follow New Testament scholar James Dunn in holding that the biblical authors were not interested in cataloguing the metaphysical parts of a human being -- body, soul, spirit, mind. Their interest was in relationships. The words that later Christians have translated with Greek philosophical terms and then understood as referring to parts of the self originally were used to designate aspects of human life. For example, spirit refers not to an immaterial something but to our capacity to be in relationship with God, to be moved by God’s Spirit. It is widely agreed that the Hebrew Bible presents a holistic account of human nature, somewhat akin to contemporary physicalism. The New Testament authors certainly knew various theories of human nature, including dualism, but it was not their purpose to teach about this issue."
This is interesting, CC. My beliefs are such that God encompasses male/female traits, but perhaps not in how we see them. I think gender constructs ebb and flow in terms of how society ''builds'' them. Perhaps because I believe that God create men and women in ''its'' image, is where I derive my personal views of both genders being not only a creation of God, but a flowing from God, if that makes sense. The Hebrew Bible or OT is a fascinating read, and I'm reading it probably open-minded for the first time. (not with trying to be ''sold'' into a religion)
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Leigha Offline
Sigh. Watched a couple minutes of the news this morning, and their song before taking a commercial break was Miley Cyrus' ''Party in the USA.'' I can't get this song out of my head!  Angry
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Syne Offline
(Jul 4, 2019 08:11 PM)Leigha Wrote: Sigh. Watched a couple minutes of the news this morning, and their song before taking a commercial break was Miley Cyrus' ''Party in the USA.'' I can't get this song out of my head!  Angry

Well, if that's stuck in your head anyway...

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/C-CG5w4YwOI
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Leigha Offline
(Jul 4, 2019 09:38 PM)Syne Wrote:
(Jul 4, 2019 08:11 PM)Leigha Wrote: Sigh. Watched a couple minutes of the news this morning, and their song before taking a commercial break was Miley Cyrus' ''Party in the USA.'' I can't get this song out of my head!  Angry

Well, if that's stuck in your head anyway...

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/C-CG5w4YwOI

omg lmao  Big Grin
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Syne Offline
While I often like covers better than the original, not so much in this case.
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