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We can begin an interstellar mission today & we should + To save Earth, go to Mars

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C C Offline
We can begin an interstellar mission today – and we should
https://aeon.co/opinions/we-can-begin-an...-we-should

EXCERPT: [...] No longer are we limited by chemical rocket technology that has changed little since its invention centuries ago. With directed-energy photonic propulsion, we face no speed limits except that of light itself, and spacecraft can be radically miniaturised since their main propulsion system stays at home. [...] Inconceivable as it might seem, people alive today could some day see direct pictures of planets around nearby stars, perhaps glimpsing lands that will be colonised by later generations. There is a lot of work ahead....



To save Earth, go to Mars
https://aeon.co/essays/how-going-to-mars...-the-earth

EXCERPT: Al Gore often ends his presentations on climate change by showing a classic image of the Blue Marble – the full sunlit disk of the Earth, hanging vulnerably against the blackness of space – before adding some cautionary words: ‘Don’t let anyone tell you we can escape to Mars; we couldn’t even evacuate New Orleans. The Earth is the only planet habitable for human beings. We’re going to have to make our stand right here.’

This is a rational view of the challenge. We have to deal with famine and disease. An estimated one billion people live on less than $1.90 per day. Climate change is threatening a tenuous global economy. Why would we invest resources on colonising another planet when we need them so urgently on Earth? Such thinking extends up to the highest levels of government. Although it has announced plans to send astronauts to Mars orbit sometime in the 2030s, the Obama administration has with each annual budget request attempted to direct NASA funds away from human spaceflight and planetary science, and toward Earth observation.

But lately I’ve found myself wondering: what if our societal view of problem-solving is flat-out wrong? More specifically, what if addressing a crisis directly is not always the most effective route to success, and investing resources toward a different, seemingly unrelated challenge could lead to faster, more effective breakthroughs?

It sounds like a wild claim, but this indirect approach, known as lateral innovation, is responsible for many of the most remarkable innovations we encounter in our daily lives, generally with little awareness of where they came from. One of the most dramatic recent examples is the graphics processing unit (GPU). Fast, powerful GPUs were originally developed to meet the demand for increasingly realistic video games, especially ultraviolent first-person shooters. But machine learning, computer vision and neural networks pose very similar computational challenges, and the technology quickly migrated over. Specialised GPUs are now used for diagnostic medicine, facial recognition, self-driving cars and market forecasting. Built on innovations developed for games such as Doom and Grand Theft Auto, machine learning is powering one of the fastest-growing sectors in the world economy.

About a year ago, I joined a company called Planet Labs in San Francisco, and stumbled into a veritable nest of lateral innovation. As an ecologist, I’ve spent much of my career researching challenges such as deforestation, rising carbon emissions and the loss of biological diversity. In my search for solutions, I’ve walked the halls of academia and the US government, but at Planet Labs my work has taken me to a place I never expected to be: low Earth orbit. Through the eyes of dozens of microsatellites, each the size of toasters, I watch the world’s forests change every day. I collaborate closely with the people who build the satellites, write the control software, and convince skeptical agricultural firms to pay millions for the pixels of data they collect. All of this happens on budgets that are minuscule by NASA standards, using hardware and code that were mostly developed for other purposes.

Watching what my colleagues do, and understanding why they do it, has convinced me that brute force alone will not innovate the technologies that will enable human civilisation to become an effective arbiter of this planet and her resources. The solution requires tapping into the same impractical, impatient, passionate drive that spurred the video-game-fuelled GPU revolution. And although that kind of lateral innovation cannot be instituted forcibly, it can be recognised and fostered.

In short, Gore got it exactly wrong. To save the Earth, we have to go to Mars....
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From what exactly are we saving the Earth?
There are several answers:
 
1. Ourselves. This should be the easy one.
2. Space 'garbage'. Asteroids etc.
3. Long term events. Expansion of the Sun etc.
 
1. Overpopulation is an obvious answer, but we seem remarkably loath to address it. Most likely 'Nature' will do it for us = plagues, viri(i)/viruses, starvation, war. Here there are greater and lesser degrees of control depending on the particular hazard.
 
2. We think we have NEOs (near Earth objects) taped - but we don't. A few decades ago we had two close passes in one day. One we did not know of its existence until it had passed us.
Are we absolutely confident that we can predict the closeness/impact of a NEO return after a close pass? We glibly talk about sending missions to nuke/divert approaching objects. Some (most/all?) of these objects are travelling very fast. By the time we could reach them some (most/all?) could have passed/hit us.
It may well be an unlikely scenario. We are given statistical estimates. Someone has got to win the lottery. It won't be us? Tell that to the dinosaurs!
 
3. If we survive (1) and (2) then, probably more by good luck than by good judgment, we wll have possibly billions (literally) of years to solve problems like expansion of the Sun, passage of rogue stellar systems through our Solar System, etc., Shall we, as a biological freak survivor, have got it worked out in time? FLT = no problem = a couple of billion years to sort out faster than light travel, science fiction has done it already. No worries [size=7]here.[/size]
 
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(Jun 5, 2020 02:53 PM)Catastrophe Wrote: From what exactly are we saving the Earth?
There are several answers:
 
1. Ourselves. This should be the easy one.
2. Space 'garbage'. Asteroids etc.
3. Long term events. Expansion of the Sun etc.
 
1. Overpopulation is an obvious answer, but we seem remarkably loath to address it. Most likely 'Nature' will do it for us = plagues, viri(i)/viruses, starvation, war. Here there are greater and lesser degrees of control depending on the particular hazard.
 
2. We think we have NEOs (near Earth objects) taped - but we don't. A few decades ago we had two close passes in one day. One we did not know of its existence until it had passed us.
Are we absolutely confident that we can predict the closeness/impact of a NEO return after a close pass? We glibly talk about sending missions to nuke/divert approaching objects. Some (most/all?) of these objects are travelling very fast. By the time we could reach them some (most/all?) could have passed/hit us.
It may well be an unlikely scenario. We are given statistical estimates. Someone has got to win the lottery. It won't be us? Tell that to the dinosaurs!

3. If we survive (1) and (2) then, probably more by good luck than by good judgment, we wll have possibly billions (literally) of years to solve problems like expansion of the Sun, passage of rogue stellar systems through our Solar System, etc., Shall we, as a biological freak survivor, have got it worked out in time? FLT = no problem = a couple of billion years to sort out faster than light travel, science fiction has done it already. No worries here.
 

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Isn’t there a skyscraper sized NEO due to pass by today? Been going on for billions of years without many major hits. I’d say odds are good that this is the least of our worries. 

Time travel would be good. I liked the idea in the Star Trek episode where the inhabitants of a doomed planet went back in time to live amongst ancestors.
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(Jun 5, 2020 02:53 PM)Catastrophe Wrote:
From what exactly are we saving the Earth?

There are several answers:
  1. Ourselves. This should be the easy one.
  2. Space 'garbage'. Asteroids etc.
  3. Long term events. Expansion of the Sun etc.

1. Overpopulation is an obvious answer, but we seem remarkably loath to address it. Most likely 'Nature' will do it for us = plagues, viri(i)/viruses, starvation, war. Here there are greater and lesser degrees of control depending on the particular hazard.

2. We think we have NEOs (near Earth objects) taped - but we don't. A few decades ago we had two close passes in one day. One we did not know of its existence until it had passed us.

Are we absolutely confident that we can predict the closeness/impact of a NEO return after a close pass? We glibly talk about sending missions to nuke/divert approaching objects. Some (most/all?) of these objects are travelling very fast. By the time we could reach them some (most/all?) could have passed/hit us.

It may well be an unlikely scenario. We are given statistical estimates. Someone has got to win the lottery. It won't be us? Tell that to the dinosaurs!

3. If we survive (1) and (2) then, probably more by good luck than by good judgment, we wll have possibly billions (literally) of years to solve problems like expansion of the Sun, passage of rogue stellar systems through our Solar System, etc., Shall we, as a biological freak survivor, have got it worked out in time? FLT = no problem = a couple of billion years to sort out faster than light travel, science fiction has done it already. No worries here.


If we survive long enough for the transition to transhuman and posthuman bodies, which may better tolerate outer space and harsh planetary slash moon environments, then the continued existence of intelligence will arguably be assured. For that matter -- synthetic, cyborg, robotic and technological bodies in general could as well endure the toxic mess we turn Earth into (probably not large asteroid strikes so well, though).

Unfortunately, only the elite and their "quasi-biological" descendants could afford the transition, with the rest of archaic or baseline humanity suffering and dying in the waste. Unless autonomous machines become so skilled, self-replicating, and numerous factory-wise that they can crank out an ascension like that for the proletariat masses on the cheap or for free.
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(Jun 5, 2020 02:53 PM)Catastrophe Wrote: From what exactly are we saving the Earth?
There are several answers:
 
1. Ourselves. This should be the easy one.
2. Space 'garbage'. Asteroids etc.
3. Long term events. Expansion of the Sun etc.
 
1. Overpopulation is an obvious answer, but we seem remarkably loath to address it. Most likely 'Nature' will do it for us = plagues, viri(i)/viruses, starvation, war. Here there are greater and lesser degrees of control depending on the particular hazard.
 
2. We think we have NEOs (near Earth objects) taped - but we don't. A few decades ago we had two close passes in one day. One we did not know of its existence until it had passed us.
Are we absolutely confident that we can predict the closeness/impact of a NEO return after a close pass? We glibly talk about sending missions to nuke/divert approaching objects. Some (most/all?) of these objects are travelling very fast. By the time we could reach them some (most/all?) could have passed/hit us.
It may well be an unlikely scenario. We are given statistical estimates. Someone has got to win the lottery. It won't be us? Tell that to the dinosaurs!
 
3. If we survive (1) and (2) then, probably more by good luck than by good judgment, we wll have possibly billions (literally) of years to solve problems like expansion of the Sun, passage of rogue stellar systems through our Solar System, etc., Shall we, as a biological freak survivor, have got it worked out in time? FLT = no problem = a couple of billion years to sort out faster than light travel, science fiction has done it already. No worries [size=7]here.[/size]
 

I could be wrong, but it seems like you're the member who was having a lot of problems back then with spurious HTML tags (maybe carried over from copy and pasting) being converted to BBcode. (Which might be why you left, out of frustration.)

Stupid me didn't realize at the time what the problem was for some newer members.

Ridiculously too late to tell you now, but: 
  • Go to your "User Control Panel".

  • Click "Edit Options" under the "Your Profile".

  • Under "Other Options", activate "Put the editor in source mode by default" by placing a check there. 

At least I think that will correct things, if I remember right. I don't see anything else in there that could be the remedy, and I've had it enabled virtually ever since I got here in 2014 and don't suffer those problems.

And I'm not going to shut it off temporarily to experiment and find what's missing from my reply and post textareas that seems to be more of a menace than a help, for some.
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