Spiritual connotations of the CE-5 experiencer movement

[Magical Realist]

Socially, the majority view is actually the yardstick by which we measure delusion.

"A collective delusion is a shared belief or conviction that a group of people holds, even though it goes against clear facts and solid proof. It happens because of social pressure, group habits, and the human need to fit in with others, rather than from a personal mental illness."---Google AI

A delusion is simply a persistent and bizarre belief in something based on no evidence. Hence we have a history of mass delusions, cults, conspiracy theories, racism, hysteria, and handed-down superstitions that persist over the centuries with no evidence whatsoever. When these are part of one's culture and society, as in the case of religions, they are still delusions. That they have to be enforced on children with rewards of eternal life or threats of hellfire by established institutions only furthers the nature of such beliefs as delusional as no one in their right mind would believe in them otherwise. The belief in an all powerful being that noone ever sees or detects as existent is clearly delusional.

[Syne]

You're conflating your strawman "no evidence" with "goes against clear fact and solid proof" in your own definition.
Literacy is amazing!

Still nothing about UFOs, huh? 9_9

[Magical Realist]

You're conflating your strawman "no evidence" with "goes against clear fact and solid proof" in your own definition.

No..I'm stating the need to posit any being at all as existing only until there is actual evidence for their existence. And so far the strongest telescopes ever invented turn up no sign of God. Saying he isn't physical but metaphysical is just a cop out, like saying the reason we see no unicorns is because they are spiritual creatures. Why is the Bible filled with all sorts of tales revealing himself physically, but then now 2000 years later it's like he never existed at all? Free choice? I think not.

Still nothing about UFOs, huh?

Don't even pretend I haven't been posted compelling evidence for uaps for around 10 years now in this forum. If you were at all interested in the phenomenon, you'd be studying those. You're not. You're only interested in protecting your skeptical worldview.

[Syne]

Many people feel they have their own experience as personal evidence. Most traditions do not posit God as a physical entity within our universe, so demanding that is a strawman. I wouldn't call "visions" physical manifestations.

Still nothing about the topic of this thread, huh?

[Magical Realist]

Many people feel they have their own experience as personal evidence.

That's what makes CE-5 experiences different from the brainwashed believers of religion. It IS their own experience they are going by, not someone's interpretation of a multiply-translated and redacted set of writings of what allegedly happened 3000 years ago. And God did physically reveal himself in the Bible days according to the Bible. The garden of Eden, the pillar of fire, the burning bush, the parting of the red sea, angels galore, miracle-working prophets. No sign of such nowadays. Why, it's almost like the Bible is just one among hundreds of other mythical accounts of ancient gods and miracles found around the world. lol

[Syne]

You think people only believe because a book told them to, huh? 9_9
None of those people have ever had any experience that would justify that belief to themselves? @_@

Okay, you can keep believing that.

[TheVat]

You think people only believe because a book told them to, huh? 9_9
None of those people have ever had any experience that would justify that belief to themselves? @_@

Okay, you can keep believing that.

I would say that the word "experience" does a lot of heavy lifting in chats like this one.

[Syne]

You think people only believe because a book told them to, huh? 9_9
None of those people have ever had any experience that would justify that belief to themselves? @_@

Okay, you can keep believing that.

I would say that the word "experience" does a lot of heavy lifting in chats like this one.

Like here:

That's what makes CE-5 experiences different from the brainwashed believers of religion. It IS their own experience they are going by,...

Everyone prioritizes their own experience, whether about God, UFOs, etc.. And if we're honest with ourselves, we admit that those experiences are not compelling to others.

[Magical Realist]

You think people only believe because a book told them to, huh? 9_9
None of those people have ever had any experience that would justify that belief to themselves?

Yes..everything Christians know or think they know about God comes from their Bibles. He is an entirely literary character in a collection of ancient stories. Having a relationship with God is thus like having a relationship with Frodo Baggins.

Everyone prioritizes their own experience, whether about God, UFOs, etc.. And if we're honest with ourselves, we admit that those experiences are not compelling to others.

Except nobody turns up with sunburns or paralysis or bodily scars or photographs or psychological trauma after their encounter with God:

"Apparent abductions, burns, paralysis, brain damage and sexual encounters are among the list of physiological effects experienced by people who have come in contact with UFOs, according to a newly-released report from a secretive Pentagon program.

More than 1500 pages from a now-defunct Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program (AATIP), released to The Sun by the US Defence Intelligence Agency, have outlined the reported encounters with unidentified objects.

The study, compiled back in 2010 and titled Anomalous Acute And Subacute Field Effects on Human and Biological Tissues, included references to sightings of ghosts, yetis, spirits and interactions with other that resulted in injury, death or ‘permanent healing’.

Attached to the report was a list of physiological effects on people who had come into contact with UFO or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAPs).

The list compiled by the Mutual UFO Network included 129 reported cases of apparent abductions, 77 cases of electromagnetic effects on vehicles, 75 instances of perceived time loss, 41 reported cases of burns, 23 cases of electrical shocks, 18 reports of force field impacts and five reported sexual encounters.

The existence of the secretive AATIP program was revealed by its former head and whistleblower Luis Elizondo in 2017.

In an interview with GQ in November 2021, he hinted at some of the effects of reported interactions with UFOs and UAPs.

“I’ve got to be careful, I can’t speak too specifically, but one might imagine that you get a report from a pilot who says, ‘Lue, it’s really weird. I was flying and I got close to this thing and I came back home and it was like I got a sunburn. I was red for four days,”’ he said

“Well, that’s a sign of radiation. That’s not a sunburn; it’s a radiation burn. Then [a pilot] might say, if [they] had got a little closer, “Lue, I’m at the hospital. I’ve got symptoms that are indicative of microwave damage, meaning internal injuries, and even in my brain there’s some morphology there.’”

“And then you might get somebody who gets really close and says, ‘You know, Lue, it’s really bizarre. It felt like I was there for only five minutes, but when I looked at my watch 30 minutes went by, but I only used five minutes worth of fuel. How is that possible?’”

“Well, there’s a reason for that, we believe, and it probably has to do with warping of space time.”

The report also showed how authorities rate different encounters with UFOs.

There are “anomalous behaviours”, which can be rated as AN1, AN3 or AN5.

AN1 includes encounters that have no lasting physical effects, including sighting of lights.

AN3 includes encounters where people come within 150 metres of an “associated entity”, such as a ghost, elves or other “mythical/legendeary entities”.

AN5 are classified as reports of injury and death.

The US military has spent decades looking into observations of UFOs and 'flying saucers'. Credit: AP
Interactions can also be classified as “close encounters” and branded as CE1, CE2, CE4 or CE5.

CE1 includes when a UFO comes within 150 metres of a witness and CE2 when a close encounter leaves physical marks on a witness.

CE4 is when a witness is abducted, and CE5 when a close encounter leads to permanent psychological injury or death."---- https://7news.com.au/news/ufo/alien-abdu...-c-6348715

[Syne]

You think people only believe because a book told them to, huh? 9_9
None of those people have ever had any experience that would justify that belief to themselves?

Yes..everything Christians know or think they know about God comes from their Bibles. He is an entirely literary character in a collection of ancient stories. Having a relationship with God is thus like having a relationship with Frodo Baggins.

And you claim to understand Christians. 9_9