Christopher Nolan responds to rightwing bigots' backlash to his film "The Odyssey"

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(Jul 22, 2026 01:41 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:But you say ... "The larger problem is Nolan's reinterpretation of major themes in the Odyssey, which doesn't just change the visual presentation of the material but its meaning. What it amounts to isn't just artistic license, but deliberate deliberate deconstruction."

Let's go, John. Make your case.

Okay. Now, I have some caveats. First, when I wrote that, I hadn't seen The Odyssey, and I still haven't seen The Odysseyl.

LOL Nuff said I think.

(Jul 22, 2026 01:48 AM)Syne Wrote: How are "tortured heroes with post-traumatic stress disorder" or deconstruction "Christian morality"?

https://www.scivillage.com/thread-20854-...l#pid87753

Odysseus does get guilt-ridden through the course of the film (haunted by imagined conversations with Athena, among other factors). And Nolan does bum off of xenia (so-called Zeus Law) consequences, as he states in some interviews. But xenia actually does have a role in the original Odyssey, just not with Odysseus wallowing in angst over the deception and horrors of Troy.

Surely Shapiro would be interpreting this from his Jewish biblical roots, not Christianity. So I don't know how Davidson and others make the shift to a Christian gloss unless they're zeroing in on Nolan's Catholic upbringing, or perhaps Nolan stated somewhere in the past that he's fixated on the "tortured hero" template due to some influence therein. Or maybe he even admitted in an interview about this film that the below is the case...

ANOTHER VIDEO EXCERPT: I think the reason that Christopher Nolan left out the exchange with the Cyclops [...] is that he can't have Odysseus ... bragging about what he did. [...] Nolan leaves all of that out because it doesn't fit with his sort of Christian gloss on the morality of the Odyssey that he's trying to do.

He can't have his Matt Damon Odysseus character be proud of what he's done at Troy and boast of it. And so you have all these key changes. That's just one key change, but there are other major changes that basically make it a completely different story, in my view.

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#32
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So the chestnut of Christian guilt? That's enough to call it Christian morality?
Well, that's certainly a very one dimensional view.

Even Shapiro's Judaism couches the Golden Rule as Homer does Xenia:

Judaism does not believe the strict interpersonal "Golden Rule" applies uniformly to enemies during warfare. While Judaism requires treating neighbors and foreigners with love and respect, the framework shifts to "just war" (milchamot) and proportional self-defense when fighting a declared enemy.
- gemini

So Shapiro is still lost in his Nolan fandom.
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#33
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"Christopher Nolan built The Odyssey around one rule: a complete ban on green screens, avoiding digital environments entirely to ground the epic. That choice sent a crew of around 500 to five distinct countries over roughly six months, filming across stunning real-world vistas in Morocco, Greece, Italy, Iceland, and Scotland to find real coastlines, castles, volcanoes, and glaciers to stand in for Homer's ancient world.

Principal photography ran 91 days and wrapped nine days ahead of schedule in August 2024. The uncompromising approach put the natural landscape, not a visual effects stage, at the center of the myth."
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#34
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A supposed full list below of differences between Nolan's version and the original story. It seems that individuals are interpreting references of the film conforming to "modern morality" in their own personal contexts (Judean, Christian, etc), though "biblical" arguably subsumes most.

With regard to the missing "Nobody trick" (that Davidson also brought up), the Greek warriors didn't even know that the cyclops could speak and understand until virtually the end of that segment when they were fleeing, after its eye was stabbed and it beseeched Poseidon, its father, for vengeance against the crew.

The sound in this theater was severely unbalanced with respect to the dialogue (always lower than the other sounds and music). So even though "Zeus's Law" (fictitious term for xenia) may have been mentioned several times, I barely recall it (especially what it meant, the importance) along with a lot of other conversational gaps. Also didn't help that I never read much about the film or prepped beforehand, and Nolan's freaking non-linear approach right out of the gate added to the cognitive disorientation. Again, I get why so many felt like they would have to watch it a second time, later, in order to apprehend what Nolan was doing or be more confident of their appraisal of the movie.

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LIST CHANGES TO THE STORY
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/movi...43570.html

Zeus's law plays a big role.

There are fewer appearances of gods [and they're largely psychological rather than external, like Athena].

Antinous and Sinon get new backstories.

Odysseus's parents are not included.

The Lotus Eaters and Calypso's stories are combined.

Odysseus doesn't do his "Nobody" trick.

The crew doesn't stop on Aeolia.

The Laestrygonians don't throw boulders.

Odysseus is a more faithful husband.

King Alcinous is skipped over.

Penelope doesn't test Odysseus with his bed.

The story ends with exile instead of Athena bringing peace.

Odysseus is traumatized by the war and tormented with guilt over the horse deception and the bloodshed during the fall of Troy.

EXCERPT: The biggest addition to The Odyssey is in the characterization of Odysseus. He's not only a formidable warrior and tactician, as he is in Homer's poem, but also a weary veteran grappling with guilt and the horrors of war. Yes, he's the brilliant mind who invented the Trojan Horse, but he's haunted by the destruction it wrought—innocent people murdered, homes burned, and a whole civilization destroyed. (This could explain why The Odyssey was Nolan's follow-up to Oppenheimer.)

"It's an academic twist on a story about homecoming, but [also] this character who, much like Oppenheimer, is wrestling with the price of his ingenuity and what it's going to mean for the world," Matt Damon told Letterboxd.

"The Trojan Horse, ingenious as it was, is a trick [that is in] direct violation of Zeus's law. It's presented as a gift and an offering of peace—but obviously, it's full of soldiers. Of course, knowing that the world was cast into four centuries of darkness right after this story takes place—there's a lot there thematically, and [you] can draw comparisons and lines from there."

In fact, it's because he's still processing that trauma that Damon's Odysseus seems to avoid going home—it's not just that gods and monsters kept him off course. When he and his men first leave Troy, he takes a different route than Agamemnon so they can "see the world" and take the scenic route. It's an erratic decision from someone who's in denial of their inner turmoil. As Odysseus (in disguise) later tells Penelope, he regrets that he and his men "abused what's sacred between people" when they attacked Troy. Athena (Zendaya) even appears to him in the form of a Trojan woman he watched get murdered.

These details add more depth and complexity to one of the most famous and glorified heroes in history. This version of Odysseus challenges—or expands upon—the definition of masculinity. That's not to say that Odysseus wasn't emotional in Homer's poem; he also wept often, felt great pain, and was clearly flawed. But Nolan's telling looks at his greatest achievement through a new lens. It's also inspired by the opening line of Emily Wilson's 2017 translation of The Odyssey, which Nolan himself cited as an influence: "Tell me about a complicated man."

"Zeus's law" is mentioned by many characters in the film as the sacred rule of hospitality. All people have an obligation to welcome guests and treat them with respect, and guests must do the same for their hosts. "It's the Golden Rule—treat as you would be treated—and with a theological underpinning in their world, that you might be a god in disguise," Nolan told The New York Times.

In actual ancient Greece, there was no actual Zeus's law, but there was a concept known as "xenia" that was still connected to the god of thunder. The term comes from Zeus Xenios, "the aspect of Zeus that cares about…hospitality and host-guest relationships," Suzanne Lye, a professor in the department of classics at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, told ELLE. It was necessary for survival in antiquity, when it was far more dangerous to travel. It's not exactly the Golden Rule, but Nolan expanded its meaning for his adaptation.

Xenia is a recurring theme in Homer's Odyssey. That's why Penelope and Telemachus can't just kick the suitors out of their home. Eumaeus and King Alcinous are examples of hosts who honor xenia. Penelope's suitors, on the other hand, violate xenia as they take advantage of Odysseus's home. Circe also defies it by luring men with food and turning them into pigs.

Nolan uses that concept to bring out the irony of the Trojan Horse. It's considered a genius war tactic but also violates xenia—because the Greeks disguised themselves as a harmless gift and then killed their hosts. When Odysseus realizes what they had done, it haunts him throughout his journey home.
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#35
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Everybody who's never cracked a Greek classic in their life is now suddenly an expert on Homer. lol

"Elon Musk is being slammed for vowing to use AI to make his own #TheOdyssey movie after repeatedly criticizing Christopher Nolan's film.

"Clearly Elon Musk doesn’t know shit about cinema & he stopped reading in his 20s. His opinions on art are worthless," wrote "Doctor Strange" and "The Black Phone" director Scott Derrickson in a post on X.

In March, Musk wrote that “Chris Nolan is an anti-White racist” for casting Lupita Nyong’o in the role of Helen of Troy, asserting that the director made the decision because “he wants the awards.” Musk said “Chris Nolan has lost his integrity” and called the casting an “insult” to Homer. Musk also took aim at Elliott Page, who plays Sinon in “The Odyssey,” reposting comments that mocked the actor’s masculinity."
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#36
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Sean Bean in Troy was a far better and more faithful characterization of Odysseus:

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/MxQTMu_7Vno

(Jul 23, 2026 01:20 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Everybody who's never cracked a Greek classic in their life is now suddenly an expert on Homer. lol

Have you even watched the movie? @_@
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(Jul 23, 2026 03:05 AM)Syne Wrote:
(Jul 23, 2026 01:20 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Everybody who's never cracked a Greek classic in their life is now suddenly an expert on Homer. lol

Have you even watched the movie? @_@

I'll take that as a no.
(Jul 22, 2026 01:41 AM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:...and I still haven't seen The Odyssey.

LOL Nuff said I think.
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#38
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Quote:Have you even watched the movie?

Am I broadcasting my own opinions about it being bad or good? Nope.
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#39
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(Jul 23, 2026 09:42 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
Quote:Have you even watched the movie?

Am I broadcasting my own opinions about it being bad or good? Nope.

You're whining about the opinions of people who have seen it.
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#40
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Quote:You're whining about the opinions of people who have seen it.

Nope..I dismissed the opinions of someone who hasn't seen it. Just as I have with all these MAGA review bombers who hadn't even seen it yet.

Quote:Quote:

...and I still haven't seen The Odyssey.

LOL Nuff said I think.
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