Artists drop out of Trump's July 4th "Love Me Fest"

[stryder]

No, there was no country in North America prior to the US. Conflating territory control, fledgling colonies, or native nations, that had no fixed borders or sense of statehood, with a country is purely ahistorical. I get that you're jealous of US success and power, and feel the need to tear it down to make yourself feel better... about your own country, ideology, and/or yourself. Sure, tell yourself that the people, who we've shouldered the burden of protecting for decades with little to no appreciation or respect, are the ones whose trust was eroded.

That ties in with my statement about some people that feel they have pride are delusional. You are delusive to think that I am jealous or trying to tear the US down. All I am trying to point out is that the US history is itself brainwashing, you've been fed particular lines to go along with a particular story and have the inability to process it any differently than what you are use to having been told.

What makes America the good guys is having a Constitution so robust that it is the single, oldest, and longest-serving constitution in history. One designed with the means to end slavery.

Slavery's abolishment didn't start in the US, it was actually the Quakers that promoted it over in England and then took it over there. You should know this if you truly know your countries history.

That the US has led the way to more prosperity for the entire world than any other country in history. That the US has led to the most global security in history. You don't get so many win-win circumstances without good people making good decisions (or at least having the underlying structure to incentivize such good decisions).

Consider for a moment the number of global economic crashes that all started in the US. I wouldn't suggest the US is globally secure. The continued strife produced by the corruption of the hegemony suggests that at some point, the world needs to wake up and put safe guards in to stop the same repeated mistakes from happening.

If I lived in another country, I'd want to emulate the US, especially its constitution.

That would be bias.

Barring that, I would want to have friendly relationships with the Americans who vote and shape US foreign policy, instead of disrespecting them at every opportunity and lose all potential influence.

The US is not the Queen of Sheba. There are plenty of other countries that are willing to work with rather than against one another. They understand the concept of Game theory better (which is odd since John Nash was an American.)

My Facebook page has been flooded with foreigners, including Brits, who have come here for the World Cup games and been very gushing about all the great things they've never known about the US. You know, if you want to talk about perspective.

I guess those that posted there aren't staying in Hotels or paying the heavily inflated prices for using trains or merchandise or other nonsense add ons.
I'd heard that various "tourism" traps in the US meant for domestic usage had actually been suffering a pretty huge decline, such as Pigeon Falls and Miami.

It might be temporary though, just down to the current economic criticise that exist, perhaps having servicemen be active abroad keeps their families away from holidaying etc..

[Syne]

No, there was no country in North America prior to the US. Conflating territory control, fledgling colonies, or native nations, that had no fixed borders or sense of statehood, with a country is purely ahistorical. I get that you're jealous of US success and power, and feel the need to tear it down to make yourself feel better... about your own country, ideology, and/or yourself. Sure, tell yourself that the people, who we've shouldered the burden of protecting for decades with little to no appreciation or respect, are the ones whose trust was eroded.

That ties in with my statement about some people that feel they have pride are delusional. You are delusive to think that I am jealous or trying to tear the US down. All I am trying to point out is that the US history is itself brainwashing, you've been fed particular lines to go along with a particular story and have the inability to process it any differently than what you are use to having been told.

Yet you can't refute what I've said, which begs to differ with your claimed lack of motive.

What makes America the good guys is having a Constitution so robust that it is the single, oldest, and longest-serving constitution in history. One designed with the means to end slavery.

Slavery's abolishment didn't start in the US, it was actually the Quakers that promoted it over in England and then took it over there. You should know this if you truly know your countries history.

Abolition was achieved nationally in Britain before the US, but it's history started in the US.

Key milestones of the early movement:

The First Formal Protests: In 1688, German Quakers in Germantown, Pennsylvania, drafted the first formal religious petition against African slavery in North America.
The First Formal Organizations: The first organized abolition societies emerged in Britain, with the creation of the London Society for Effecting the Abolition of the Slave Trade in 1787.
Early State Legislation: In the U.S., Vermont was the first territory to abolish slavery in its constitution (1777), followed by Pennsylvania passing the first gradual abolition act in 1780.
National Successes: Great Britain abolished the slave trade in 1807, eventually passing the Slavery Abolition Act to end slavery entirely across its colonies by 1833. In the U.S., abolition culminated in the Emancipation Proclamation (1863) and the 13th Amendment (1865).
- gemini

So you can see, British abolition started in the US, and several states abolished slavery before Britain. Britain wasn't even the first nation to abolish slavery, as Haiti and France (during the French Revolution) did before Britain's ban in 1807, and Chile and Mexico banned it before Britain did for its colonies.

That the US has led the way to more prosperity for the entire world than any other country in history. That the US has led to the most global security in history. You don't get so many win-win circumstances without good people making good decisions (or at least having the underlying structure to incentivize such good decisions).

Consider for a moment the number of global economic crashes that all started in the US. I wouldn't suggest the US is globally secure. The continued strife produced by the corruption of the hegemony suggests that at some point, the world needs to wake up and put safe guards in to stop the same repeated mistakes from happening.

An interconnected global economy that could even be vulnerable to crashes only existed due the US spread of prosperity globally.
If you think the world would have been safer without the US, you're clearly delusional and historically ignorant.

If I lived in another country, I'd want to emulate the US, especially its constitution.

That would be bias.

No, that would be objectively seeing which systems offer the most prosperity and security.

Barring that, I would want to have friendly relationships with the Americans who vote and shape US foreign policy, instead of disrespecting them at every opportunity and lose all potential influence.

The US is not the Queen of Sheba. There are plenty of other countries that are willing to work with rather than against one another. They understand the concept of Game theory better (which is odd since John Nash was an American.)

Not countries that have the capability to defend themselves and keep bad actors at bay, as a deterrent force.

My Facebook page has been flooded with foreigners, including Brits, who have come here for the World Cup games and been very gushing about all the great things they've never known about the US. You know, if you want to talk about perspective.

I guess those that posted there aren't staying in Hotels or paying the heavily inflated prices for using trains or merchandise or other nonsense add ons.
I'd heard that various "tourism" traps in the US meant for domestic usage had actually been suffering a pretty huge decline, such as Pigeon Falls and Miami.

It might be temporary though, just down to the current economic criticise that exist, perhaps having servicemen be active abroad keeps their families away from holidaying etc..

No, they're talking about how big and beautiful the US is, with its wide variety of climates, scenery, cultures, etc.. They remark on our infrastructure, stores, etc..
In the US, you can always find cheaper hotels and avoid tourist traps. There's just so many options. And our economy isn't even booming. It's just experiencing steady, moderate growth.

[confused2]

From a UK perspective..
The US soldiers that fought alongside British soldiers were the the finest and bravest of all, they fought thousands of miles away from their homes, homes to which many did not return. In the following years they have been represented by many fine men (as president of the US) .. some finer than others .. but of all .. Trump (so far) is generally agreed to be the lowest. Refusinjg (or failing) to honour Trump isn't 'disresrepecting' America .. quite the reverse .. it shows respect for those who came before and (hopefully) will follow.

In fairness history may see Trump as something more than a charismatic narcissistic draught dodger.. but right now that is all a lot of people are seeing.

[Syne]

No one said anything about honoring Trump. Legal draft deferments are not the same as dodging the draft.
Seems like TDS to make how you think of the entire country dependent upon Trump, whether you're a Democrat or a foreigner.

[confused2]

No one said anything about honoring Trump.

Trump's July 4th "Love Me Fest"

[Syne]

No one said anything about honoring Trump.

Trump's July 4th "Love Me Fest"

That's called mischaracterization. Otherwise known as a lie.
It's the 250th anniversary of America.

[confused2]

It's what people are seeing. People are more likely to believe what they see than what you think they ought to be seeing.

[Syne]

Nah, just more TDS. 9_9

[stryder]

Nah, just more TDS. 9_9

If there was such thing as TDS, Trump could end up with a class action suit on his hands. If he is causing that much Trauma to so many people and even has a condition named after him assigned to it, then he can be seen the catalyst and therefore the responsible party for it. So anyone with "TDS" should be looking at a payout.(which will likely come at the cost of the American taxpayer)

[confused2]

Always a surprise when a narcissist thinks anyone who doesn't love them is insane. [sarcasm intended]