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But unlike plain people culture, what secular collectivism lacks is a religion or afterlife to bind people to the ideology for generations. The former also doesn't undermine the family unit and totally eliminate having a personal farm in favor of common ownership, thus avoiding those as reasons for rebellion or later loss of interest. Kibbutz: "There were also differences in religion. Kibbutz Artzi and United Kibbutz Movement kibbutzim were secular, even staunchly atheistic, proudly trying to be 'monasteries without God'."
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VIDEO EXCERPTS: You basically explained why communism never works, the biological reasons for why communism fails. And you give a fascinating example of voluntary communism, which was the kibbutz system in Israel. Talk to us about that.
That was a a wonderful natural experiment. The founders who were you fleeing the anti-Semitism in their homelands decided in Israel they would not just start anew but would build a whole new world, based on a new kind of person who would be a good, unselfish person.
[...] So the first astounding thing they did was to abolish the family. So the family has been the sort of the basic unit of human society since the the dawn of time. The kibbutz arranged that the children would live apart from their families in sort of dormitories. They were allowed to see their families just at the end of the day for a brief period, but otherwise they were raised communally.
The idea was that that the woman would be released from the patriarchy of the father. The women didn't depend on their husbands for anything, and they could have all the jobs they chose.
The other big thing was to abolish pay variance. So everyone got the same pay whether they worked hard or or slacked off. And and the reason was to make sure that you had a condition of total equality. No one was richer or better than anyone else. No one could boss anyone else around.
On paper it was ideal. Women weren't dependent on men. No one was superior to anyone else. It was a great tribute to the idealism of the founders that the system did last at least while they were alive.
But when a second generation grew up, who weren't imbued with the founders ideology, they started to reject all these things. The women wanted to have their children with them during the day. The families were reconstituted.The kibbutz had to go through a massive rebuilding program to to build apartments instead of these communal living arrangements. And they also had to drop the the equal pay system.
[...] So the whole experiment was a pure test of socialism. Defenders of socialists often say, well, it's never really been tried. Meaning that the communist governments that operated it were so corrupt and inefficient that it wasn't a fair test. But kibbutzim was a fair test. it was voluntarily entered into and it was voluntarily rejected when people saw it simply didn't work...
Nicholas Wade on why communism will always fail ... https://youtu.be/ngVGKUCsNNE
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TRIGGERNOMETRY CLIPS
https://youtu.be/ngVGKUCsNNE
VIDEO EXCERPTS: You basically explained why communism never works, the biological reasons for why communism fails. And you give a fascinating example of voluntary communism, which was the kibbutz system in Israel. Talk to us about that.
That was a a wonderful natural experiment. The founders who were you fleeing the anti-Semitism in their homelands decided in Israel they would not just start anew but would build a whole new world, based on a new kind of person who would be a good, unselfish person.
[...] So the first astounding thing they did was to abolish the family. So the family has been the sort of the basic unit of human society since the the dawn of time. The kibbutz arranged that the children would live apart from their families in sort of dormitories. They were allowed to see their families just at the end of the day for a brief period, but otherwise they were raised communally.
The idea was that that the woman would be released from the patriarchy of the father. The women didn't depend on their husbands for anything, and they could have all the jobs they chose.
The other big thing was to abolish pay variance. So everyone got the same pay whether they worked hard or or slacked off. And and the reason was to make sure that you had a condition of total equality. No one was richer or better than anyone else. No one could boss anyone else around.
On paper it was ideal. Women weren't dependent on men. No one was superior to anyone else. It was a great tribute to the idealism of the founders that the system did last at least while they were alive.
But when a second generation grew up, who weren't imbued with the founders ideology, they started to reject all these things. The women wanted to have their children with them during the day. The families were reconstituted.The kibbutz had to go through a massive rebuilding program to to build apartments instead of these communal living arrangements. And they also had to drop the the equal pay system.
[...] So the whole experiment was a pure test of socialism. Defenders of socialists often say, well, it's never really been tried. Meaning that the communist governments that operated it were so corrupt and inefficient that it wasn't a fair test. But kibbutzim was a fair test. it was voluntarily entered into and it was voluntarily rejected when people saw it simply didn't work...
Nicholas Wade on why communism will always fail ... https://youtu.be/ngVGKUCsNNE