Great moments in LGBT history

[C C]

Perhaps not a great moment .. but a defining moment. Some will say Karl Gorath got what he deserved for being gay .. if the majority take that view then we have the opportunity for history to repeat. Others will say all of humanity suffered/died when Karl suffered/died. It is the difference between saying "Go Hitler" and "You're a fucking monster" .. or have I missed the point?

Persevered till age 90, at least. Alan Turing a more abbreviated tragedy (only made it to 41). His work during WWII top secret, so not recruited for his defense. There are questions about it really being a suicide, though, as opposed to an accident. (Maybe unintentionally inhaling too much cyanide fumes from the electroplating device, and authorities idiotically not testing the apple itself for substance presence.) Wild that such a reasoning-inclined mind like Turing's listened to fortunetellers, though maybe the one during youth had a beneficial effect.

[Magical Realist]

Only in tiny little gaybashing MAGA world could posting about the historical oppression of LGBTs during Pride month be considered wrong in some sense. All the more reason to do it. Stay tuned kiddies!

[Syne]

Only in tiny little gaybashing MAGA world could posting about the historical oppression of LGBTs during Pride month be considered wrong in some sense. All the more reason to do it.

Really doesn't sound like a great moment in LGBT history.

Can you spot the difference? @_@

Posting wrong? No.
"Great moment in history"? Questionable.

Sounded very sad, not "great." And sounded like a whole lifetime, not a "moment."
Maybe you should rename this threat "LGBT history."

[Magical Realist]

Only in tiny little gaybashing MAGA world could posting about the historical oppression of LGBTs during Pride month be considered wrong in some sense. All the more reason to do it.

Really doesn't sound like a great moment in LGBT history.

Can you spot the difference? @_@

Posting wrong? No.
"Great moment in history"? Questionable.

Sounded very sad, not "great." And sounded like a whole lifetime, not a "moment."
Maybe you should rename this threat "LGBT history."

Here's where you started whining about it:

Yes, just because you're gay, black, female, etc. doesn't mean you've faced persecution, racism, sexism, etc.. As with most things, absolutes do not obtain. Now, you can certainly take up just about any grievance, as your cross to bear, and choose to wallow in it. You can even legitimately suffer at the hands of others. You can blame others for your life and call them names. If that is how you choose to exercise your own agency in life, that's your prerogative.

Yeah...that's pretty much Nazi code for shut the fuck up about it so we can keep pretending it never happened.

[Syne]

Here's where you started whining about it:

Yes, just because you're gay, black, female, etc. doesn't mean you've faced persecution, racism, sexism, etc.. As with most things, absolutes do not obtain. Now, you can certainly take up just about any grievance, as your cross to bear, and choose to wallow in it. You can even legitimately suffer at the hands of others. You can blame others for your life and call them names. If that is how you choose to exercise your own agency in life, that's your prerogative.

And if implying that people are essentially Nazi's makes you feel better... well, I guess you really need that. Maybe go hire a professional cuddler or something.

Yeah...that's pretty much Nazi code for shut the fuck up about it so we can keep pretending it never happened.

Really? Does the "you can... you can... you can" mean "you can't" to you? @_@
So you read something as the opposite of what's actually said... and use that to justify insulting people in the most vile way you can.

And you balk when I tell you you always insult first. See how far you have to go to justify your little preemptive insults? 9_9

[Magical Realist]

Really? Does the "you can... you can... you can" mean "you can't" to you?

Yep..all the slickness yet toxicity of all Nazi code..."You concentration camp inmates are here because you chose not to conform..to be your vile selves and to just play the victim." It's the whole essence of the rightwing agenda. Xenophobia and always blaming the victim.

[Syne]

Sure, if you choose to cherry-pick and ignore things like: "You can even legitimately suffer at the hands of others."
You're not to blame for being victimized. But it is your choice if you continue to live as one, long after any immediate suffering.

Oh, and now I'm so "slick" that I can say one thing and somehow mean the opposite...

...or you're just making up any excuse to insult and abuse others, as you always have. Thanks for continuing to prove who you are.
Go ahead, cry about it some more. You obviously need to release a lot of pent-up feelings.

[Magical Realist]

But it is your choice if you continue to live as one, long after any immediate suffering.

No one who chooses to honor and remember a victim or victims of oppression and murder is living as a victim. In fact it's precisely because we DON'T live as victims that we need to periodically memorialize them. Like Holocaust victims or slaves or any other protected class that has been traditionally discriminated against in the past. The only conceivable reason anyone would whine about or demean anyone who does this is because they DON'T want such victims honored or remembered---to essentially pretend such atrocities never happened because they somehow agree with their persecution and want such protected classes to continue being oppressed and marginalized even today. No amount of excuse-making on your part can cover up this basic right wing hatred you have of those who are different. I can smell the Nazi death stench rising up from your own words, and I'm not about to be averted from calling it out for what it is here in this one little lone thread dedicated to LGBT history.

[Syne]

But it is your choice if you continue to live as one, long after any immediate suffering.

No one who chooses to honor and remember a victim or victims of oppression and murder is living as a victim.

Except when you whine about being a victim of imagined censorship attempts, from someone repeatedly saying "you can."

In fact it's precisely because we DON'T live as victims that we need to periodically memorialize them. Like Holocaust victims or slaves or any other protected class that has been traditionally discriminated against in the past.

False dilemma, as one does not preclude the other. There's absolutely nothing wrong with commemorating historical victims... of any kind. But that doesn't preclude anyone from also being/playing a victim... in fact, many people use past atrocities, they never experienced personally, to validate their current victim mentality.

People frequently use past atrocities and historical grievances they never personally experienced to validate a current victim mentality. In psychology, this is known as collective victimhood or historical trauma, where the pain of ancestors becomes embedded in a group's modern identity.

Why Is Happens
People adopt this mindset for several distinct reasons:

Postmemory and Identity: Individuals born long after an event can deeply internalize ancestral suffering through cultural narratives and stories. This shapes how they view their place in the world.
Justifying Moral Righteousness: Perceiving oneself or one's group as a perpetual victim can be used to claim moral superiority. It can also provide justification for hostility, demanding special treatment, or seeking retribution against perceived oppressors.
Avoiding Personal Responsibility: A victim mentality allows individuals to externalize their current struggles. Blaming past atrocities or systemic issues for modern, personal failures removes the need to take accountability for one's own choices and actions.
Secondary Gain: Adopting a victim identity often yields social sympathy, attention, and validation from others, which can be an unconscious protective mechanism against facing real-world vulnerabilities.
- gemini

The only conceivable reason anyone would whine about or demean anyone who does this is because they DON'T want such victims honored or remembered---to essentially pretend such atrocities never happened because they somehow agree with their persecution and want such protected classes to continue being oppressed and marginalized even today.

I'm sure it is the "only conceivable reason" for someone who hysterically imagines people as villains. They defensively read whining or demeaning into very simple observations about the disconnect between the thread's title and the post... instead of simply addressing that point. Has nothing to do with the actual commemorating, except to the paranoid imagination looking for bogeymen... or just justifications for existing hatreds.

No amount of excuse-making on your part can cover up this basic right wing hatred you have of those who are different. I can smell the Nazi death stench rising up from your own words, and I'm not about to be averted from calling it out for what it is here in this one little thread dedicated to LGBT history.

Except I don't dislike people like Dave Rubin, Xaviaer DuRousseau, Scott Bessent, etc.. I disagree with their lifestyle, but for conservatives (unlike the left), disagreement doesn't automatically equal hate. Also unlike the left, conservatives don't generally celebrate the deaths of political opponents... which is more telling of any "death stench."

Of course you won't stop being the first to insult and attack others. You never have and never will.

[Magical Realist]

False dilemma, as one does not preclude the other. There's absolutely nothing wrong with commemorating historical victims... of any kind. But that doesn't preclude anyone from also being/playing a victim... in fact, many people use past atrocities, they never experienced personally, to validate their current victim mentality.

Nope...people only commemorate victims of atrocities to empathize with them and bring home to themselves the possibility of those atrocities being repeated one day. That means they are not victims of those atrocities themselves and have a need for reliving those times to prevent them from being repeated. That is the whole purpose of honoring victims. It has absolutely nothing to do with playing at being a victim themselves. That's how whites can celebrate Juneteenth and non-jews Holocaust Day and non-veterans Veteran's Day and straights Pride month. You know that happens don't you? It's all about honoring the history and legacy of classes of people that have suffered in the past and never forgetting the hatred and dehumanization of them by their so-called "normal" contempories.