Jet Crashes into Fire Truck on the Runway in NYC

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Yazata Offline
LaGuardia Airport is currently closed after a Canadair Regional Jet CRJ-900 from Montreal to NYC that was coming in for a landing struck a fire truck that was on the runway for some reason. Reports say there are two dead and more than a dozen injured. From the looks of it, the two fatalities were the pilots of the jet.

It initially looks like a control tower error to me. The tower should have known the fire truck was out there and closed that particular runway to arriving jets while it was there.


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Though upon hearing recordings of the control tower, it seems that the fire truck asked for permission to go out on the runway and received it. The tower is heard directing aircraft to go around and that the runway was closed. The Canadian jet can be heard but it's unclear whether it acknowledged the towers instructions. There does seem to have been some confusion.
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(Mar 23, 2026 05:50 AM)Yazata Wrote: [...] Though upon hearing recordings of the control tower, it seems that the fire truck asked for permission to go out on the runway and received it. The tower is heard directing aircraft to go around and that the runway was closed. The Canadian jet can be heard but it's unclear whether it acknowledged the towers instructions. There does seem to have been some confusion.

Goodness knows why the controller was all by his lonesome.

Air Canada Flight 8646
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_Flight_8646
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https://simpleflying.com/air-canada-lagu...atalities/

EXCERPT: As reported by aviation insider JonNYC on X, the on-duty controller had been working on his own at the time of the accident, overseeing both ground and tower operations. The controller was reportedly "dealing with another emergency at the time," which the fire truck had been dispatched to.
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Zinjanthropos Offline
Quote: However, moments later, a controller frantically ordered the truck to stop as Flight 646 was speeding along the runway. Following the collision, an incoming Delta jet was ordered to go around as the controller attempted to establish communications with the Jazz Airlines pilots.

Assuming it’s the same runway, it sounds like the ‘closed’ message didn’t get to the Delta pilots also.

Air traffic controller one of the most stressful jobs out there.
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America’s ATC Meltdown: Why The Skies Are Short-Staffed and The Remedies That Are Needed
https://www.aviationtoday.com/2025/07/25...re-needed/

EXCERPTS: For over a decade, the U.S. has been facing a persistent and growing shortage of air traffic controllers. The problem has ballooned into a full-blown crisis, straining airport operations, triggering flight delays, and testing the limits of the Federal Aviation Administration’s (FAA) training pipeline.

Despite efforts to address it, the gap between the number of certified controllers and the number required to safely manage America’s airspace keeps widening.

As of early 2025, only about 10,800 certified professional controllers are actively working, far below the 14,600 needed to keep air traffic flowing smoothly and safely. Nearly 280 of the country’s 300 air traffic control facilities are now operating below proper staffing levels. Even minor disruptions like a government shutdown can bring controller training to a standstill and further delay the pipeline.

[...] The effects of the shortage are already showing. In New York, one of the most congested airspaces in the country, the FAA has been forced to cap the number of flights. United Airlines claims that delays occur daily, regardless of weather, because there simply aren’t enough controllers on duty. In fact, the airline says 68% of its 2024 delays on clear-weather days were due to ATC staffing limitations.

Fatigue is also a growing concern. Testimony before Congress revealed that some controllers have been working six days a week, 10 hours a day, for years on end. Larger airports bear the brunt of the staffing crisis, with some airlines now diverting routes to smaller airports just to cope.

While the U.S. has the most acute shortage, it’s far from alone. Europe is short roughly 700 to 1,000 controllers. Canada’s NAV CANADA has struggled to hire, and even Australia is seeing staffing shortfalls that are delaying flights. But no other country faces the same combination of bottlenecks and regulatory constraints as the U.S.

[...] Meanwhile, political decisions are stirring new fears. The recently formed Government Efficiency Department (DOGE) has implemented sweeping federal workforce cuts. Though air traffic controllers haven’t been laid off, around 400 FAA staffers lost their jobs in early 2025, raising alarms about support systems critical to safety and training. A key FAA report even briefly disappeared from the agency’s website before being recovered via an internet archive.

DOGE has called for retired controllers to return to duty, but that’s a long shot given the legal retirement cap. And critics note that DOGE, despite its influence, lacks any real aviation expertise...


While Thousands Applied to Become Air Traffic Controllers, There’s Still a Shortage. We Looked at Why.
https://www.gao.gov/blog/while-thousands...looked-why

EXCERPTS: To address shortages, the FAA has been working to hire and train new controllers. But this is no simple task nor is it speedy. For example, all applicants must pass an aptitude assessment and obtain a medical clearance and security approval before they are hired.

Once candidates pass these initial screenings, most must then graduate from a 4-to-6-month training course at the FAA Academy in Oklahoma City, followed by on-the-job training. Becoming certified can take new candidates up to 6 years.

This rigorous hiring and training process is designed to ensure that candidates are well equipped to handle a demanding, high-stakes career as an air traffic controller. Very few applicants—about 2%—qualify for and complete the full training process. So even if many people are interested in the job, it would be nearly impossible for the FAA to quickly hire a lot of new air traffic controllers.

[...] The FAA has taken some steps to streamline its hiring process by introducing new practices to speed it up and by hosting pre-employment events that allow applicants to complete multiple in-person tasks at one time. Yet many applicants still struggle to figure out where they are in the process and—more importantly—what they need to do next. Our new report suggests that the FAA develop a system to allow applicants to do just that...
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#5
Zinjanthropos Offline
For most of this morning Facebook had identified one of the dead pilots complete with pics as a female. Mackenzie Gunther was male according to CBC. Some claiming to be FB posts even had different female pics. Just tried FB again and appears they may be correcting story as I can no longer access same. There was also a photo of the other pilot, Antoine Forest, with smashed plane in background. Poor taste and don’t believe everything you read or see on internet.
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