Article  From nothing, everything

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EXCERPTS: Is there a way to speak or even to think of nothing without making it something, betraying its character as nonexistent? The idea of nothing pushes at the limits of thought and language, demanding new modes of analysis and expression. Moreover, if nothing is something, that would seem to complicate the definition of ‘something’ as an entity that really exists in the world. And if it is not something, then what ‘is’ it?

A paradoxical question if there ever was one. More than just a linguistic puzzle, the idea that ‘nothing exists’ challenges our understanding of existence itself and spurs more nuanced theories of reality. To speak of nothing raises questions about everything. One can see why philosophers and artists alike have been drawn to it.

The history of nothing in Western philosophy is long and varied. Philosophers have distinguished between different kinds of nothing (what is not absolutely, not a specific something, not real, etc): its vagueness is part of the fecundity of the concept. They have treated it as a problem of theology (the heretical idea that everything may come not from God, but from nothing); of ethics (for Jean-Paul Sartre, nothingness is the precondition of human freedom); and of logic, as when Bertrand Russell scandalously conceded the logical existence of negative facts.

[...] Ontology’s fascination with nothing and its relation to both terms – onta and logos – goes back to the ancient Greeks. The sophist Gorgias (483-375 BCE) wrote an entire treatise on it. His ‘On Nonbeing’ proposes that ‘nothing exists; that if something does exist it is unknowable; and if it exists and is knowable, it cannot be communicated to others.’ Through a series of brain-teasing syllogisms, he deploys the ironies of nothing to build a counterintuitive (and frankly dodgy) case against anything, on the premise that, since being and nonbeing are opposites, if nonbeing exists – as it does, as soon as we speak it – then being must not. Sliding between two senses of the phrase ‘nothing exists’, Gorgias’ claim would seem to be refuted by the very logos that asserts it, a logos that survives, albeit only in paraphrases and scattered quotations, to this day.

How does one speak of nothing without turning it into something, rendering one’s own logos self-negating and nonsensical? As the Eleatic stranger puts it in Plato’s Sophist, to speak of nonbeing is not only to say nothing but not to speak at all – which he will continue to do for many pages in arguing dialectically for the existence of nonbeing and the possibility of naming it. To speak of nothing strains against the very raison d’être of language. It is no wonder that for the ancient Greeks ouden legein (‘to say nothing’) meant to talk nonsense... (MORE - missing details)
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"Pure Being and pure nothing are, therefore, the same. What is the truth is neither being nor nothing, but that being — does not pass over but has passed over — into nothing, and nothing into being. But it is equally true that they are not undistinguished from each other, that, on the contrary, they are not the same, that they are absolutely distinct, and yet that they are unseparated and inseparable and that each immediately vanishes in its opposite. Their truth is therefore, this movement of the immediate vanishing of the one into the other: becoming, a movement in which both are distinguished, but by a difference which has equally immediately resolved itself."---Hegel

Eastern philosophy seems to concur on this equivalence between Being and Nothing, the meditative union of the conscious self with the All at once establishing "everywhereness" yet "nowhereness". The dissolution of the self into pure unqualifiable Being/Nothing or presence/absence."
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Quote:(the heretical idea that everything may come not from God, but from nothing)


Do most religions prefer their God to come from nothing or having always been there? Does the latter mean nothing is separate from God from a theistic view, a whole new category?
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(Oct 6, 2025 02:10 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Do most religions prefer their God to come from nothing or having always been there? Does the latter mean nothing is separate from God from a theistic view, a whole new category?

Most think God has always been, and yes, the formless void is usually considered separate.
Personally, I think God and nothing are the same thing, but most people think that means God is nothing (there is no God), so it's usually pointless trying to explain.
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(Oct 6, 2025 02:10 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:
Quote:(the heretical idea that everything may come not from God, but from nothing)


Do most religions prefer their God to come from nothing or having always been there? Does the latter mean nothing is separate from God from a theistic view, a whole new category?

Who knows what a particular culture contingently means via use of "nothing" (or it can be the language interpreter's fault).

A legit or absolute "nothing" (absence of everything) would include lack of a passage of time (change). Accordingly, in that context asserting that "_X_ came from nothing" is unnecessary confusion equivalent to "_X_ having always existed". Since there was no clock ticking figuratively beforehand -- no duration of "nothing".

The problems revolving around "nothing" stem from ambiguity (not strictly and lucidly defining what is meant by "nothing"); and later inconsistency with the premise even on the rare occasions that the concept is initially rigidly clarified.

In some instances what the proposer is really doing is presenting an opposite for "being" (rather than absolute absence), which usually amounts to a uniform "being" or substance without form, structure, or complexity (no distinct content). "Knotted something" versus "unknotted something". And they stick the label of "nothing" on the latter.
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Nothing can be "Null".

For instance before I write a computer program. If I call a function, read a variable or array that hasn't been created, I'd get a "Null" value, which signifies it doesn't exist.

Just because it doesn't exist, doesn't meant that I can then write in a function , read variable or array to populate the program. This means the outcome is no longer "Null" as it has something to return.

Arrays in this instance are the most interesting (polynomials) as they can lead to multiple dimensional arrays when populated. Kind of fun to think you start with literally nothing ("Null")

In a theoretical rendition of Simulation theory, the first stage from nothing is populating a simple 2D array with polynomials to represent the variances of pure energy.

The 2D structure is used to simplify communication between processing nodes as data is flat, so having it is populated with polynomials allows 3D(+) data to be shared with other processing nodes. I guess you could say it's like setting up the cross communication of trigonometry to act like building a holographic popup book/universe.

The energy tensor that is created from this is then applied to other versions of tensors that lattice with each other to create altered energy states from their diffused interaction. Which is the prototype to matter.
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Grandfather paradox dilation (Wave collapse)
Another potential is the grandfather paradox. Lets say you have two instances of the same universe separated by one second of time. Those universes follow causality, the younger one always leads to the older one. However if those two universes collided and cancelled out their own existences (since the past would wipe out the future) what would be left is a paradox that seemingly came from nowhere (Since the grandfathered dilation collapsed)
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