Article  We're still asking the wrong questions about antidepressants

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Simplistic debates about the drugs obscure the complex dynamics of how psychic pain is understood and treated.
https://undark.org/2025/08/21/opinion-an...sant-trap/

EXCERPT: . . . Yes, antidepressant withdrawal is real. Yes, some people suffer greatly while trying to come off these drugs, with withdrawal risk varying among different kinds of antidepressants. I have also seen many patients appear to benefit greatly from such medications. But when we focus only on the biology of response and withdrawal, or treat psychiatric medications as purely pharmacologic agents whose harms and benefits can be definitively measured and settled by clinical trials, we obscure the more complex — and far more consequential — dynamics by which these medications affect self-perception, social relationships, and political life.

Although antidepressants have an appropriate place in psychiatric treatment, they’re frequently prescribed in cases where they are unlikely to do much good. The risk of harm commonly outweighs likely benefits, especially under the norms of highly time-constrained, decontextualized, and impersonal clinical practice today, in which medications are often prescribed at the very first appointment. And while I am a critic of the overprescription of antidepressants, I am also wary of the growing public discourse that treats them and psychiatry itself as the primary cause of ongoing pain.

In some cases, what gets labeled as withdrawal is not a straightforward physiological reaction to discontinuing a chemical agent. It can be a complex response to the loss of an object that was invested — often by one’s doctor, one’s family, dominant cultural ideas, and patients themselves — with enormous psychic and symbolic significance. If a pill is presented as a cure for debilitating anxiety tied to grief or trauma, for example, or accepted by a patient as a last-ditch attempt to stave off despair and self-harm, its failure to deliver relief can be devastating and worsen the distress that led to starting the medication.

Symptoms after stopping medications can also represent the return — whether in new or old forms — of underlying suffering that was never addressed. This often happens in part because treatment has primarily revolved around generic symptom checklists and decisions on what medications to use rather than meaningful engagement to understand a patient’s experience in the context of their unique life history, needs, conflicts, and desires.

This isn’t a claim that withdrawal symptoms are “all in your head.” It’s a repetition of the well-known but widely disregarded reality that mind and body are not separate, and neither are biology and culture. Symptoms emerge in particular social contexts and take shape through the meanings we attach, typically without our awareness, to them. This is how, for example, what was once considered ordinary sadness or grief has been transformed into a symptom of depression, or how experiences of fatigue or loss of interest that might come from overwork or boredom have been recast as mood and attention disorders.

How we name our experiences and how people around us respond to them affects, in turn, how we feel and navigate them. This culturally contingent nature of symptoms also holds true for the experiences of taking and stopping medications like antidepressants, and it’s true for the conditions they’re meant to treat.

Psychiatry, since the 1970s, has fostered a widespread misrecognition of psychic suffering as the product of discrete brain disorders. This medicalizing narrative has encouraged people to understand their experiences of distress as, first of all, a biological problem to be chemically treated. And when the chemical fix fails, which psychiatry’s own data show it often does, patients are left not only with their original problems but also with a sense of betrayal and confusion. Some come to attribute their suffering to psychiatrists and medications themselves. In some cases, that attribution is almost certainly correct; there are reckless doctors and serious medication side effects. But it’s rarely so simple.

This misrecognition often reflects a deeper one that psychiatry has long cultivated: a tendency to conflate complex social and psychic distress with biological dysfunction. It then fuels what medical science calls the nocebo effect — a negative placebo response — whereby suffering becomes attached to and caused by the idea of a drug, even when the chemical effects of the drug are not in fact the direct cause of one’s symptoms. The nocebo effect, in this case, is not incidental, nor does it mean that psychiatry is not responsible for it. It is an unintended consequence of the very narratives that psychiatry has used to justify its authority and economic value.

Psychiatry has offered simplistic diagnostic labels as if they, by themselves, provide adequate explanations. The result is a vicious cycle: A culture prescribes pills in response to psychic pain, then blames those pills for pain when it persists.

Myriad unintended consequences ensue... (MORE - missing details)
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Quote: "It also feeds into misguided and misleading rejection of medical science and psychiatric care by opportunistic figures like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and the aligned, profit-driven “Make America Healthy Again,” or MAHA, wellness industry. Kennedy has suggested that antidepressants fuel school shootings and has called for a government investigation into the “threat” to society posed by psychiatric medication. He and his allies in President Donald Trump’s administration take advantage of popular culture’s lack of understanding of social experience and mental health to promote moralistic, racist, punitive, and ultimately eugenicist ideologies. With these, they then dismiss suffering and mental illness among poor, disabled, and minority groups as an individual’s own fault, suggesting that they should be ostracized and punished rather than provided support and care.

This narrative, in turn, supports attempts to justify cutting essential public welfare and medical programs while reallocating their funds into expanding systems for policing, incarceration, and deportation. The strategy is encapsulated in Trump’s recent executive order aimed at reopening mental institutions by using police to arrest and then, apparently without any due process, indefinitely forcibly institutionalize poor Americans who are unhoused, judged to be mentally ill, or struggling with addiction."

Generally such people have little to no experience with the harsh realities of mental illness and addiction and what a devastating toll these afflictions take on people's lives. So they glibly pontificate about such people as weak and under motivated losers who are just too lazy or self-absorbed to live a happy functional life. My own experience with my mother suffering from Type ! bipolar disorder over many years, as well as my own experience with depression/anxiety and its successful treatment with meds, exposes such charlatans as ignorant and agenda-driven simpletons. If you've never seen someone you deeply care about on the toilet at the psych ward restrained by interns and screaming she's giving birth to Jesus, you have no clue about the debilitating effects of mental illness without medication. I will always be staunchly pro-medication because I know firsthand how awful and enslaving the alternative can be.
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(Aug 24, 2025 12:29 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: Generally such people have little to no experience with the harsh realities of mental illness and addiction and what a devastating toll these afflictions take on people's lives. So they glibly pontificate about such people as weak and under motivated losers who are just too lazy or self-absorbed to live a happy functional life. My own experience with my mother suffering from Type ! bipolar disorder over many years, as well as my own experience with depression/anxiety and its successful treatment with meds, exposes such charlatans as ignorant and agenda-driven simpletons. If you've never seen someone you deeply care about on the toilet at the psych ward restrained by interns and screaming she's giving birth to Jesus, you have no clue about the debilitating effects of mental illness without medication. I will always be staunchly pro-medication because I know firsthand how awful and enslaving the alternative can be.

It can be dangerous when individuals -- that the pharmaceuticals actually do affect positively -- decide to waywardly stray from them. I had a second cousin (afflicted with bipolar disorder) who literally got himself killed by police. Because he would intermittently stop taking his meds and revert to deranged behavior regarding his personal conspiracy that the city trash pickup service was up to evil. In the course of one of many incidents of him interfering with garbage trucks, the police were called, and he made a threatening gesture (albeit ultimately groundless), and they shot him.
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Why do so many people go off their meds? I've been told that many psychiatric meds make you feel numb and less human. One friend described it as feeling like a mindless worker ant. Maybe that has an impact on how they, personally, feel about the meds efficacy? The felt cost not being worth the perceived benefit.

CBT provides long-term coping skills, but can require significant time and effort, while medications offer faster symptom relief but come with potential side effects and a risk of relapse after discontinuation. For moderate to severe conditions like depression and anxiety, combining CBT with medication is often the most effective strategy, providing both immediate symptom management and lasting skills.
- Google AI

I wonder how many put in the time and effort.
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"People go off their medications for many reasons, including managing side effects, cost, a belief that they no longer need the medication, a lack of insight into their illness (anosognosia), or a desire for a "natural" or medication-free life. Other factors include substance abuse, mistrust of the medical system, and finding alternative coping strategies that are perceived as sufficient.

Reasons Related to the Medication or Its Effects

Side Effects:
People may stop taking medication because they experience unpleasant side effects, such as fatigue, weight gain, or cognitive changes, that are more problematic than the medication's benefits.

Feeling Better:
A person may feel they are "cured" or that the medication is no longer necessary once symptoms are managed.

Lack of Perceived Benefit:
Some individuals may feel that the medication is not helpful or does not provide any tangible daily benefit.

Withdrawal Symptoms:
Stopping medication, especially suddenly, can cause withdrawal symptoms like anxiety, nausea, or "brain zaps".

Reasons Related to the Individual's Illness or Condition

Lack of Insight (Anosognosia):
A common reason, especially in severe mental illnesses like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, is the inability to recognize one's illness or the need for medication.

Substance Abuse:
Alcohol or drug abuse can interfere with a person's ability to take their medication and may lead to non-adherence.

Mistrust:
Some people may distrust doctors, pharmaceutical companies, or the necessity of the medication itself.

Reasons Related to Lifestyle or Personal Beliefs

Cost:
The expense of medication can be a significant barrier, leading people to stop taking it.

Desire for a Natural Approach:
Some people prefer to avoid long-term medication use or seek alternative, non-medication treatments.

Interference with Life Goals:
Medication may be perceived as hindering a person's ability to do things they want to do."
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Scientists explain emotional ‘blunting’ caused by common antidepressants

One of the widely-reported side effects of SSRIs is ‘blunting’, where patients report feeling emotionally dull and no longer finding things as pleasurable as they used to. Between 40-60% of patients taking SSRIs are believed to experience this side effect.

To date, most studies of SSRIs have only examined their short term use, but, for clinical use in depression these drugs are taken chronically, over a longer period of time. A team led by researchers at the University of Cambridge, in collaboration with the University of Copenhagen, sought to address this by recruiting healthy volunteers and administering escitalopram, an SSRI known to be one of the best-tolerated, over several weeks and assessing the impact the drug had on their performance on a suite of cognitive tests.


Why isn't CBT utilized more? A pill is a quicker "fix"?
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It's a cost/benefit situation. Antidepressants do suppress emotions, even your sexual urge. But for me that's a small price to pay for not being depressed and suicidal. Others may prefer their old emotions. It depends on the person. As far as CBT goes, I attended a few classes of that and it was obsessed with making you log all sorts things and affirmations and exercises and goals that I simply abhor.. I'm not reducing my daily life to a science experiment. Besides, the meds work fine for me.
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So you couldn't be bothered. Got it.
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(Aug 24, 2025 09:05 PM)Syne Wrote: So you couldn't be bothered. Got it.

What are you talking about? Bothered by what?
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(Aug 24, 2025 09:07 PM)Magical Realist Wrote:
(Aug 24, 2025 09:05 PM)Syne Wrote: So you couldn't be bothered. Got it.

What are you talking about? Bothered by what?

(Aug 24, 2025 12:29 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: ...such people as weak and under motivated losers who are just too lazy or self-absorbed to...

(Aug 24, 2025 08:21 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: As far as CBT goes, I attended a few classes of that and it was obsessed with making you log all sorts things and affirmations and exercises and goals that I simply abhor..

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