Frame 352 of the Patterson Gimlin film

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Magical Realist Offline
Quote:"There's multiple accounts of the same thing," that this Bigfoot is a hoax.

Actually no. There's just two different guys claiming a gorilla suit was involved. And there's no evidence of any such suit existing. Attempts to duplicate the PG film in 1998 failed miserably as the gorilla suited human looked nothing like the original footage. It looked exactly like a man in a baggy gorilla suit. Imagine that!

With the PG film we have two eyewitnesses, compelling video evidence, and no motivation to lie. The mockery Patterson and Gimlin endured for decades speaks to this. Fortunately special effects experts and primate athropologists have confirmed the authenticity of the film since then, just as the video I posted shows. Bad news for the skeptic who can't accept the existence of what he doesn't want to believe in.

"And Bob (Gimlin) chafed at the mockery -- the constant mockery -- that seemed to follow him wherever he went.

He says people would occasionally screech into his driveway in the middle of the night and shout taunts about going Bigfoot hunting.

When the ridicule reached his wife at her bank job, that was a breaking point.

“They’d razz her about it where she was working, and she’d come home a bawlin' and saying, oh God Bob, I wish you had never went down there with Roger. I said I do, too.”

So Bob disowned Bigfoot. He stopped doing interviews and answering mail about it. He basically wouldn’t talk about it for nearly 35 years.

But then, in 2003, along came a Russian scientist named Dmitri Bayanov.

Bayonov has written about Sasquatch as well as what they call the Russian Snowman. He came to the US to attend a conference in California, and he convinced Bob Gimlin to go along with him.

Reluctantly, Bob agreed to tell the story of Willow Creek to a room of attendees. In a video of the talk, you can see Bob, his mustache not yet white, clearly unsure of what to expect. For decades his story had gotten nothing but ridicule.

He finished the story, stood for a moment in uncertain silence, and then it came: thunderous applause.

“It was like lifting a weight off my shoulders,” Bob said. “Here’s all these people just anxious to hear what went on, and believed in me. And when I walked in the room, standing ovation. And I thought, wait a minute, how did this turn around in a few days?”

Once again, Bigfoot had changed Bob’s life. He discovered that not only was he accepted by this community of believers, he was revered. In his 35 years of silence, the Patterson-Gimlin film became legendary among Bigfoot enthusiasts.

He started going to bigfoot conferences again, giving interviews and signing autographs.

Still, that wasn’t good news for everyone in Bob’s life.

“My wife allows it but she will not go to any of them with me because of the bad days that she had. She says I won’t allow anybody that has anything to do with it to come to my place to do any filming or any interviews. You do what you want to, but I’m not going to go do any of it.”

And that’s sort of the agreement Bob has made with the world, too. He knows what he saw. If you don’t believe him, fine. You’re the sucker.

“I strongly believe that if a real one walked in the house and sat down at a table -- or, the best it could -- they’d say no, it’s a fake. It’s somebody in a suit. That’s how naive they are,” said Bob. “So that’s just the way I’d tell them until the day they spank me in the face with dirt.”

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#12
Syne Offline
The guy who made the suit did say they modified it. I'm sure they didn't tell him how... so he couldn't expose their fraud.

Arms are easy. Like Morris said, if you put football pads on under it, it raised the apparent shoulder, making the elbow appear lower. Add some length to the forearms and viola.
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Magical Realist Offline
Quote:The guy who made the suit did say they modified it. I'm sure they didn't tell him how... so he couldn't expose their fraud.

Arms are easy. Like Morris said, if you put football pads on under it, it raised the apparent shoulder, making the elbow appear lower.

Paddy shows no bulged up shoulder pads nor any sticklike extensions in the lower arms. So it would've looked even more fake with those added.
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Syne Offline
Sure it does, you just mistake them for shoulders and the arms are padded out... because hoaxers aren't complete morons.
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Magical Realist Offline
Nope...no padding on Paddy at all. It's all well-defined musculature and exposed skin, something no 1967 gorilla suit hand-stitched in some yokel's costume shop would ever have. The devil as usual is in the details.
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Syne Offline
Right, "well-defined musculature" under fur. 9_9
We know your eyesight is crap, but where are you imagining you're seeing exposed skin?
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Syne Offline
Well, if you can't tell me there's no reason for me waste more time on this nonsense.
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Zinjanthropos Offline
All in all, despite advancements in the accuracy of guns and clarity of cameras, no one has been able to get a clear shot at Bigfoot except for a camera catching the guy on coffee break who’s job it was to pretend to be Bigfoot.

All you have here is an AI enhanced photo with a few touch ups of human origin. Probably with an invisible (to human eye) watermark. Since MR doesn’t prove anything he claims then I have the same right, no?

What AI says about BF noses:

Quote: Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Flat and Wide:
Many descriptions emphasize a wide, flat nose, sometimes described as "pug-like".

Forward-Facing Nostrils:
The nostrils are often depicted as directed forward, rather than downward like in many human noses.

Shiny Black Color:
Some reports mention a shiny, oily black color for the nose, particularly in areas with a lot of fur.

Variation:
Just as human noses vary in shape and size, it's likely that Bigfoot's nose also exhibits some natural variation.

Ape-like Features:
The overall facial structure, including the nose, is often described as resembling that of an ape, particularly a gorilla.

While the Patterson-Gimlin film (often cited as evidence of Bigfoot) doesn't offer a clear view of the nose, other descriptions and sketches based on eyewitness accounts help paint a picture of what a Bigfoot's nose looks like

Hmmm….no clear view of nose unless enhanced?

Just a guess but should BF have forward projected nose with downward nostrils, like in the OP, then it’s probably human.
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C C Offline
(Aug 7, 2025 01:24 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: In the pic I posted they seem to have the view that the bulge above her lower lip is her upper lip whereas Davis points out that they appear to be large teeth with the mouth opened. If it is teeth I don't see where the upper lip would be. Alot of leeway for interpretation of details but one thing's for sure: this was no 1967 gorilla suit!

What he's talking about is there being two versions of Frame 352 circulating. One is the "original" public domain version, and the other is what Canadian René Dahinden hired Bruce Bonnie to alter enough so that he could have copyrights to it (used in his book). The modified version shows fingers and closes the mouth completely (no teeth showing).

But -- as seen in the Todd Gatewood enhanced image in the video below -- the teeth are actually only faintly showing in close-up (a very slight, tiny area). If going by Davis, AI doesn't seem to have been involved in the process. (And if the "04" in the OP image means 2004, then 21 years ago would rule it out -- at least in terms of the easy, everyday access of today). EDIT: Duh. The handwriting was probably already on the image before it was enhanced. Todd Gatewood, for instance, was given a quality photo to process that was vastly superior to the common 4th and 5th generation degraded copies of frame 352.

Here's the more recent video (Feb 2024) of Davis discussing the enhanced version of frame 352. As well as this article circa the same time: MK Davis Reveals Detailed Bigfoot Enhancement in Patterson-Gimlin Film

Facing the facts about Bigfoot ... https://youtu.be/XWw0X115HEw

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/XWw0X115HEw
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