Scientists measure qualia – It was thought to be impossible (Hossenfelder)

[confused2]

Your presentation is far from perfect.

I agree! I wondered and then thought nobody would notice so I just left it.
I'm not convinced these qualia have an existence of their own .. they are always attached to something. Red apple, red face, red for danger, red screen .. there's no 'just red'. Painful foot, painful divorce .. but no 'pain' on its own.

[Ostronomos]

Your presentation is far from perfect.

I agree! I wondered and then thought nobody would notice so I just left it.
I'm not convinced these qualia have an existence of their own .. they are always attached to something. Red apple, red face,  red for danger, red screen .. there's no 'just red'. Painful foot, painful divorce .. but no 'pain' on its own.

I was referring to CC.

[C C]

Your presentation is far from perfect.

I was referring to CC.

90% percent of people drop a video without a significant excerpt, intro, or enlightening comment (if anything at all, apart from the link). So I'm not going to fret over joining the mainstream crowd occasionally.

Earlene Kirk: "Give the vagabonds a turkey meal on Thanksgiving, and they expect the same generous hand-out daily for the year round."

[Magical Realist]

I'm not convinced these qualia have an existence of their own .. they are always attached to something. Red apple, red face, red for danger, red screen .. there's no 'just red'. Painful foot, painful divorce .. but no 'pain' on its own.

That seems to be the common sense realist view at least. That objects ARE intrinsically the color they are. But in fact all we ever see is colored light--in the apple's case the red light reflected off of it to our retinas. The qualia of redness only occurs in our brains, after that red light hits our retinas. Assuming of course we aren't color blind. It isn't necessarily attached to anything at all. You can shine a red light on the wall, and the wall will appear red. But we don't say the wall is now red. Redness is in a very real sense a "felt" sensation in our brains. It's not "out there"at all, even though it appears to be.

[confused2]

I don't know. I think I have color swatches which I match up to whatever color I'm looking at and the swatches are matched to color names. Maybe we take grass green .. name it just 'green' and think we've qualia'd it .. idk. Certainly some folks either have or develop a particular skill with colors .. still not qualiaing in my book.
You see a big? A big what? Aren't you comparing your 'normal rat' and saying the one you see is a big one?
And finally.. the ability to generate a color without a thing is .. like a smile without a cat .. could go either way on the qualia/not qualia .. I'm still backing qualia as a figment of the imagination .. no, no .. well hopefully you see where I'm coming from.

[Syne]

Some people here don't seem to understand what qualia is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia

It's what something "seems like." That seeming is consistent to the individual, but not always consistent between individuals, because it is a subjective experience. It's like how the sense of the passage of time can change with the circumstances ("time flies when you're having fun"), how different people have different thresholds for pain, or why people have different tastes in food.

Everyone knows what broccoli is, but not everyone likes it. Hence the taste of broccoli is subjective qualia.

[confused2]

Some people here don't seem to understand what qualia is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qualia

I do seem to be a muggle in the philosophy department. I see the broomsticks but I don't think they'll ever fly.

Everyone knows what broccoli is, but not everyone likes it.

OK so far.

Hence..

Hence? .. this is where I get lost.

..the taste of broccoli is subjective qualia.

These qualia seem to have a self-referential definition which I can't parse.

[Syne]

Qualia is what something seems like to you personally. That is why subjective opinions differ.

Which word is throwing you?

[confused2]

Qualia is what something seems like to you personally. That is why subjective opinions differ.
Which word is throwing you?

Thanks for that. I think I was expecting more than that from it and not seeing anything - because it isn't there.

[Magical Realist]

Here's some guy's take on qualia and why trying to define them is so hard...

https://petemandik.substack.com/p/the-qu...-manifesto

"One simple way out is the formulation of qualia quietism I offered in 2016 (p. 148):

[T]he view that the terms ‘qualia’, ‘phenomenal properties’, etc. lack sufficient content for anything informative to be said in either affirming or denying their existence. Affirming the existence of what? Denying the existence of what? Maintaining as illusory a representation of what? No comment. No comment. No comment."