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The unsurprising non-detection of intelligent aliens

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https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/...nt-aliens/

KEY POINTS: Long ago, Enrico Fermi posed a simple question just by gazing at the stars: "Where is everybody?" Known today as the Fermi Paradox, there are many possible solutions, but some explanations are far simpler than others: namely, that there isn't anyone else. Still, the most common way of estimating who's out there, the Drake equation, should never be used. Here's the science of how to do it right.

EXCERPTS: The Drake equation is one way to arrive at an estimate of the number of spacefaring, technologically advanced civilizations in the galaxy or Universe today. However, it relies on a number of assumptions that are not necessarily very good, and contains many unknowns that we lack the necessary information to provide meaningful estimates for.

[...] But that’s only the superficial reason why the Drake equation is problematic today. The deeper reason is that the Drake equation, when it was put forth, made an assumption about the Universe that we now know is untrue: It assumed that the Universe was eternal and static in time. As we learned only a few years after Frank Drake first proposed his equation, the Universe doesn’t exist in a steady state, where it’s unchanging in time, but rather has evolved from a hot, dense, energetic, and rapidly expanding state: a hot Big Bang that occurred over a finite duration in our cosmic past.

Instead, a much more productive route is to calculate the quantities we now can speak about with some level of certainty, and then move on to the great cosmic unknowns in as responsible a fashion as we can. Unlike the situation some 60 years ago, when the Drake equation was first proposed, we now have an excellent idea of what our Universe is like, both in and beyond the Milky Way and the Local Group...

[...] We’ve also learned a lot about the types and abundances of planets that exist around stars other than our own: exoplanets. [...] Instead of needing to speculate about how many stars form, how many have planets, how many planets per system have the potential for life, etc., we can actually utilize some excellent data...

[...] At this point, our uncertainties are so large that it’s eminently reasonable that not only might human beings be the only intelligent life in the Milky Way, but in the entire observable Universe, which likely contains more than a trillion (1,000,000,000,000) times as many stars as our own galaxy...

[...] We can confidently say, give or take, that there are perhaps 20 billion Earth-sized planets, made of similar elements to our own world, at the right distance from their parent star to have liquid water on their surface, assuming an Earth-like atmosphere as well. But of those worlds, how many of them have life? It could be most of them, many of them, or only a tiny fraction. Of the ones with life, how many of them develop complex, differentiated, intelligent, and technologically advanced life?

Before we even start asking questions about longevity, colonization, or machine-based life, we should admit — with a non-negligible probability — the most obvious resolution to the Fermi Paradox: The reason we haven’t made first contact with intelligent, technologically advanced, and spacefaring alien civilizations is because there are none. In all the galaxy, and perhaps even in all the Universe, we really may be alone... (MORE - missing details)
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Just thinking that I’d rather believe in alien life than in a god. Yet I have an equal amount of proof for both…lol

Anyway I think finding aliens might be easier than locating the big guy. However it won’t be easy. I think we may need to communicate/send/receive messages at faster than light speeds and hope the guy at the other ends picks up the phone. That and/or some absolutely incredible good luck and it just might happen. Actually seeing an intelligent alien might be even harder.
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Quote:The reason we haven’t made first contact with intelligent, technologically advanced, and spacefaring alien civilizations is because there are none. In all the galaxy, and perhaps even in all the Universe, we really may be alone

That's a ridiculously anthropocentric and unimaginative view of the universe. How do we know intelligence isn't evolving in other mediums besides life? Besides in electrically charged mineral-rich warm water? Among the tiny crystalline lattices of freezing methane clouds. In the pulsing ionic filaments of interstellar radiation fields. In the gaseous molecular factories of luminous swirling nebulae. This guy needs to read more sci fi. Life always finds a way. Why not consciousness as well?

Not to mention they've probably been watching us now for millennia anyway..

So where is transhuman intelligence? You're soaking in it!

https://bigthink.com/hard-science/the-un...heres-why/

“…if the entire Universe is a neural network, then something like natural selection might be happening on all scales from cosmological and biological all the way to subatomic scales…some local structures of neural networks are more stable against external perturbations than other local structures. As a result the more stable structures are more likely to survive and the less stable structures are more likely to be exterminated. There is no reason to expect that this process might stop at a fixed time or might be confined to a fixed scale and so the evolution must continue indefinitely and on all scales… atoms and particles might actually be the outcomes of a long evolution starting from some very low complexity structures, and what we now call macroscopic observers and biological cells might be the outcome of an even longer evolution.”

Serendipitous flashback:

https://www.scivillage.com/thread-1218.html
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