The Fall of Minneapolis

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C C Offline
Random tidbit sample of mainstream response. Aside from the "controversial" label and automatic resonances of copaganda, nothing really countering the film in it. The part at bottom is directed at Kelly's Facebook claim.
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The Fall Of Minneapolis: 5 Things To Know About George Floyd Doc
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-fa...r-AA1kjemy

EXCERPT: Here are five things to know about "The Fall of Minneapolis":

1. The documentary is produced by a local conservative outlet, Alpha News, and features interviews conducted by conservative commentator and former CBS Minnesota/WCCO news anchor Liz Collin.

2. The documentary makes several controversial claims, including:
  • Minneapolis police were ordered not to stop the riots following Floyd's death
  • Chauvin was following current Minneapolis police protocol when he placed his knee to Floyd's neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds
  • The FBI altered the autopsy report
  • Minnesota Democrats and prosecutors rushed to judgment to prosecute the four officers involved in Floyd's arrest
  • EMTs took 20 minutes to arrive despite officers at the scene calling immediately and there being an ambulance bay eight blocks away
3. The documentary features Collins' interview with Chauvin from a federal prison. In it, Chauvin tells Collins that he was simply following his training during Floyd's arrest and that his "whole trial was a sham."

4. Collins is married to Bob Kroll, who was the Minneapolis police union president during Floyd's death. Kroll and Collins were targeted by protests outside their home in Hugo on Aug. 15, 2020. Piñatas of Kroll and Collins were smashed during the demonstration.

5. The documentary is based on Collins' book, "They're Lying: The Media, The Left, and The Death of George Floyd." (MORE - missing details)
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(Politfact) This video from George Floyd’s death isn’t new, as Megyn Kelly said in a Facebook post
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/20...new-as-me/

EXCERPTS: A new movie, "The Fall of Minneapolis," claims to uncover "what really happened" on the day of Floyd’s death. On her Nov. 15 show, Kelly interviewed the film's producer Liz Collin and director JC Chaix. (video of interview)

[...] On Facebook, Megyn Kelly characterized the footage as "new." However, the footage she showed from Lane’s body camera has been publicly available for more than three years. Collin herself makes that clear in the interview.

[...] The Minneapolis Park Police Department released redacted police body camera footage on May 27, 2020. However, it took months for the Minneapolis Police Department to release officers’ body camera footage, citing the ongoing investigation.

Here’s a timeline of when Lane’s body camera footage became public:
  • July 8, 2020: A transcript of Lane’s body camera footage becomes public after his lawyer filed a motion to dismiss charges.

  • July 13, 2020: A coalition of news organizations request public access to body camera footage.

  • July 15, 2020: Media outlets and members of the public are allowed to view body camera footage by appointment only. The footage cannot be copied or recorded.

  • Aug. 3, 2020: The Daily Mail releases a leaked recording of body camera footage. The video Kelly showed Nov. 15 is included in this leak.

  • Aug. 10, 2020: Body camera footage is released to the public.
Whether Lane’s body camera video "changes the narrative completely," as Kelly claims, is an opinion. However, in March 2021, jurors in Chuavin’s case saw the body camera footage that Kelly says is "new." The jury found Chauvin guilty of second-degree murder.

[...] In a Facebook post, Kelly said, "New police bodycam footage" of George Floyd’s arrest "changes the narrative."

But the body camera footage Kelly showed has been publicly available since August 2020 and was shown during Chauvin’s trial in March 2021, which eventually led to his conviction.

We rate the claim False.

(August 11, 2020) Officer Lane's bodycam footage from George Floyd's arrest released
https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/nat...video.html
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Syne Offline
Very little of the footage looks to be "new," but much of the body cam footage went either ignored or very undercovered for all this time... the media having decided on the narrative ages ago. But this is also a tactic of the left. To say a ancillary claim is false, leaving the uninformed to infer that the entirety is as well.

Aside from all the erroneous genetic fallacies about the people who made the documentary...

Quote:2. The documentary makes several controversial claims, including:
  •     Minneapolis police were ordered not to stop the riots following Floyd's death
  •     Chauvin was following current Minneapolis police protocol when he placed his knee to Floyd's neck for 9 minutes and 29 seconds
  •     The FBI altered the autopsy report
  •     Minnesota Democrats and prosecutors rushed to judgment to prosecute the four officers involved in Floyd's arrest
  •     EMTs took 20 minutes to arrive despite officers at the scene calling immediately and there being an ambulance bay eight blocks away
I didn't see in the documentary any claim that "police were ordered not to stop the riots." They were not ordered to stop anything, as opposed to "ordered not to stop." They were told to abandon the precinct and not to wear protective riot gear or deploy any crowd control measures.
There's plenty of evidence, the judge didn't allow in court, that the MRT immobilization was current Minneapolis police training, both in their written and online training materials.
I must have missed, if there at all, the claim that the FBI altered the autopsy report.
Seems self-evident that they rushed to prosecute, in order to quell the riots.
Body cam footage shows that the police called for EMT within a minute of Floyd going to the ground. The delayed response doesn't change that fact.


What I was most surprised at in the documentary the magnitude of destruction the city took. Since the media was intent on keeping it hidden, I never saw the worst of it.
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confused2 Offline
Where to from here?
Anyone who resists arrest gets to walk away?

FWIW I'd say Floyd was 'mortally afraid' of what would happen when/if he was taken to the police station. As a bystander said "You're going to have a heart attack if you don't get in the car" and Floyd still wouldn't get in the car. After kicking an officer Floyd is 'maximally restrained' both for his own safety and the safety of the officers attending. Seems like an insult to all involved to claim any of this had anything to do with the colour of Floyd's skin.
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