Would We be Better off….

[Zinjanthropos]

…if we had discovered irrefutable scientific proof of how it all began, if it could be understood by all and it formed the basis for all our actions going forward? Not just the universe but anything that might have led to a BB.

No idea if we humans would be any different than today. Would we commit half the terrible acts we’re known for? I’d like to think there’d be no more wars/violence, fewer crimes committed or bad behaviour in general. In what manner would we continue on?

My thinking is that religion was an attempt to do just that, give us all there is to know and with it we live in peace & harmony.

So would irrefutable scientific proof of how everything began change our behaviour? Then again maybe the scientific truth is more horrible than we can handle.

If there’s a world out there that has learned the absolute scientific truth then what are they like? What’s a normal day for them or anyone who knows? Sounds like I’m asking what a god does to keep busy.

[C C]

Big Bang Theory: The Cosmic Event in Upanishads and other Hindu Scriptures
https://www.hindu-blog.com/2008/04/hindu...osmic.html

IOW, primitive people would still apprehend it in religious or spiritual frameworks (cargo cult). Those that understood it like scientists would accordingly have to be inhabitants of a more developed world. Accordingly, it wouldn't have made much difference.

If, say, instead of primitive people we had started out advanced -- what would account for that kind of "magic"? An advanced alien civilization guiding us like deities?

The Marxist intelligentsia were atheistic and pro-science. In order to arouse dissent, establish a rebellion, and install themselves as the "the wiser philosopher kings of humankind" they needed an ideology.

As I've said before hither and thither, both religious and non-religious people invent concepts and principles.

The former personifies them on a spectrum from Greek-like gods to monotheist ones to other supernatural agencies. The latter skips that step but still worships and demands worship of those ideas.

Marxists utilized crusaderism and "opportunistic altruism" just like missionaries, replaced Abrahamic "sin" with social injustice (Gramsci broadened it from narrower "class struggle" to that), they dictated that their subservient populations adhere to their commandments or suffer the consequences, still imprisoned and butchered millions, still built militaries. All without a pantheon of supernatural gods (personified dogma).

Infectious ideas appealing to emotions and revolving around sophisticated moral treatises that are wholly artificial fabrications (not discovered under a rock) do not need an anthropmorphic mask placed on them to still turn populations into zombies.

Back to primitive people:

There was an incredible degree of hardship and grief in hunter-gatherer and early societies, requiring constant pregnancy to replace those lost (especially the deaths in childhood). Later there were the class systems, slavery, etc. Life wouldn't be worth the struggle if there hadn't been storytelling inventions to sugar-coat it. The modern world is full of comforts, recreations, and cures -- it's easy for those today to assert that they need nothing more. We're pampered babes who grew up in a quasi-heaven on Earth. Whatever we deem grimness and misfortune in its everyday routine is candy compared to the deep past, or even medieval times.

[Zinjanthropos]

Still I think religion actually may have a purpose, acting as a substitute for the scientific proof which has been so far unattainable. If you’re part of a theistic religion then perhaps you might be inclined to at least figure out how God does what he does.

[C C]

Still I think religion actually may have a purpose, acting as a substitute for the scientific proof which has been so far unattainable. If you’re part of a theistic religion then perhaps you might be inclined to at least figure out how God does what he does.

Yes, but ideology only needs a personified, supernatural mask added on when the populations reside in a pre-scientific era. Marxism, for instance, also espoused its own material cosmology of what was going on, including its own account of consciousness. No conversion of its concepts/principles to gods, angels, spirtis, etc were necessary in the 19th-century. (Statues of Karl, Lenin, etc don't count since they were real, non-abstract beings who invented and directly marketed bovine defecation.) If scientology had been around back then and included soap-box rantings about class struggle, its evolving offshoots and intellectual descendants would instead be the toys that today's campus scholars mentally masturbate on.

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If there’s a world out there that has learned the absolute scientific truth then what are they like? What’s a normal day for them or anyone who knows? Sounds like I’m asking what a god does to keep busy.

If it turns out they're lazy vegetarians who take lots of drugs and don't shave their legs - would that be better or worse than you were hoping for?

[Zinjanthropos]

If there’s a world out there that has learned the absolute scientific truth then what are they like? What’s a normal day for them or anyone who knows? Sounds like I’m asking what a god does to keep busy.

If it turns out they're lazy vegetarians who take lots of drugs and don't shave their legs - would that be better or worse than you were hoping for?

Then you think it will be us one day? We must be getting close to the required science by that reckoning. I can hope for something better.

Like Krauss' future isolated galaxies we may not have all the evidence. So ya, they could be exactly what you've described. At some point someone will unknowingly be making something up.....even that sounds like us.