Oh woke is me...

[stryder]

My niece has just managed to get expelled from her school in Georgia, US.

Apparently a mixture of a video she made and one she shared on a Tiktok channel has got her expelled for potential violence.
She is 10 years old, the video she shared was apparently slightly dark in regards to an anime video and a song, but she was instructed to see someone over their (the schools) concerns.

She however got caught posting the self-made video that has her miming to a song (which isn't violent and she does some pretty sweet video editing) however the last cut of the video has her holding a cap gun where she explitly states it's a prop gun in big writing over the video. That was alas the last straw.... the violence of that last video was too much and she was told to be collected.

So she's now got a black mark against her, but she's never been a threat (to be honest she's too much of a kidder for that) It's possible they just saw her as influencing other kids that might go further with what they assume.

In any event she's now going to have to be homeschooled. The point is where do you draw the line.... one the one hand yes you can worry about the escallation of violence and the potential of what could happen in a school, but there is the other hand where an entire kids future hangs in the balance over some woke reactionism.

What can be done?

[Syne]

What can be done? Either homeschool or live in a free state. You simply cannot trust leftists with your children, whether because they are pedophiles/sympathizers/apologists or because they will treat your children as actual enemies if they offend their delicate sensitivities or oppose their political agenda/propaganda.

Only leftists are some scared shitless of guns that they can't even stand obvious toy guns, fingers shaped like guns, of even a slice of bread bitten into the shape of a gun. These people are abject morons, whose amygdalae never developed enough for them to distinguish between real dangers and the most superficial facsimile of dangers.

Sensible people need to just vote with their feet, and leave these rapidly devolving shitholes to wallow in their own rising crime and homeless filth.

[C C]

[...] The point is where do you draw the line.... on the one hand yes you can worry about the escallation of violence and the potential of what could happen in a school, but there is the other hand where an entire kids future hangs in the balance over some woke reactionism.

What can be done?

Schools can become more amenable to appeals and hearings. They can make their policies more accessible to parents. Here's an example (albeit 2018):

Zero Tolerance? Not exactly: School districts have leeway when dealing with weapons
https://www.kmuw.org/education/2018-10-0...th-weapons

To understand the Wichita district’s policy on weapons, you first have to be sure to read the whole thing.

It begins: “Any pupil who is found to have brought, handled, transmitted or to have been in possession of a weapon . . . including any firearm or replica firearm at school, on school property, or at a school supervised activity shall receive a mandatory expulsion from the school district for 186 school days.” Hence, the “zero tolerance” moniker.

But read a little further into the policy, and you’ll see this: “The Superintendent has the discretion to modify the expulsion requirement in a manner that is consistent with requirements of federal law.” That gives district officials extensive latitude in dealing with accused students and to consider each case individually.

[...] “If there is no intent to harm anyone — no one was hurt, no one was threatened — that might be a situation where the hearing officer would look at: What has the history of this student been?” Whiteman said.

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Even preschoolers
https://merc.soe.vcu.edu/projects/teache...-about-it/

Many schools across the country have a zero tolerance policy which may result in children being suspended for making anything that may resemble a weapon (including pointing a finger) or displaying behavior that may be perceived as threatening. Preschoolers often make pretend guns with various objects at school. Some preschoolers engage in pretend violent play or bad/good guy games. Children often pretend play events that they see or hear about. Dramatic play is a way of children reenacting things they see and hear. Play for preschoolers is often defined as how children solve life.

The suspension rate for preschoolers who exhibit rough housing play and pretend gun activities is rising as seen by news reports across the country. According to Civil Rights Data Collection released by the US Department of Education on suspension of preschool children...

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(Jan 2023) Guns in Schools in Georgia
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/state-law...n-georgia/

[confused2]

My niece has just managed to get expelled from her school in Georgia, US.

Apparently a mixture of a video she made and one she shared on a Tiktok channel has got her expelled for potential violence.
She is 10 years old, the video she shared was apparently slightly dark in regards to an anime video and a song, but she was instructed to see someone over their (the schools) concerns.

She however got caught posting the self-made video that has her miming to a song (which isn't violent and she does some pretty sweet video editing) however the last cut of the video has her holding a cap gun where she explitly states it's a prop gun in big writing over the video. That was alas the last straw.... the violence of that last video was too much and she was told to be collected.

So she's now got a black mark against her, but she's never been a threat (to be honest she's too much of a kidder for that) It's possible they just saw her as influencing other kids that might go further with what they assume.

In any event she's now going to have to be homeschooled. The point is where do you draw the line.... one the one hand yes you can worry about the escallation of violence and the potential of what could happen in a school, but there is the other hand where an entire kids future hangs in the balance over some woke reactionism.

What can be done?

I am sorry to hear about that. Was she brought up with the English view of guns - that only a criminal would want to own one?

For Syne's benefit .. in the UK possession of a gun freely available in the US could result in a prison sentence of up to 10 years ..

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/off...ed-weapon/

The cultural differences are immense - maybe the school aren't aware of quite how big. I can see that a child brought up in the UK could easily find it difficult to distinguish between (say) Syne and a member of any armed (American) street gang and understand that neither are actually fictional characters. If she is English I'd go back to the school and explain that American culture is difficult enough for an adult to come to terms with - let alone a child of 10.

[Syne]

I am sorry to hear about that. Was she brought up with the English view of guns - that only a criminal would want to own one?

That's called "learned helplessness." If you admit that criminals own them, refusing to yourself is tacit consent to be their ready victim.

For Syne's benefit .. in the UK possession of a gun freely available in the US could result in a prison sentence of up to 10 years ..

Yes, many governments want to inculcate a learned helplessness to government itself. You're helpless to defend yourself from criminals, so you need government, which you're also helpless against. It's a simple protection/extortion racket.

The cultural differences are immense - maybe the school aren't aware of quite how big. I can see that a child brought up in the UK could easily find it difficult to distinguish between (say) Syne and a member of any armed (American) street gang and understand that neither are actually fictional characters. If she is English I'd go back to the school and explain that American culture is difficult enough for an adult to come to terms with - let alone a child of 10.

But if she believes "the English view," that only criminals would wants guns, wouldn't that be cause for concern? Because even with a prop gun, she's already solely emulating criminals at 10. That might make the school justified in its concern and reaction. On the other hand, US children playing cops and robbers are capable of taking on both roles, including to protect and defend. It's not a foregone conclusion that they are only emulating bad people.

So for the sake of Styder's niece, I hope she's been in the US long enough to learn that guns are not something to fear, only the criminals who use them. And if she's comes of age here, I hope she carries, as any empowered woman should.

[confused2]

I'm still with 'cultural misunderstanding' where Stryder's niece is concerned.

https://www.theguardian.com/education/20...e-dramatic

US school shootings double in a year to reach historic high
Figures for 2021-22 covering elementary and secondary schools show a total of 327 shootings, 188 of which ended with casualties

Perhaps Syne could explain what he thinks a safe school might look like - it might become clearer why schools and indeed parents might not want to go down that route. A particular point is what should children be trained to do in the event of a shooting? Run about screaming? Lie flat? Head for the nearest exit? Stand with their hands in the air? Each option presents different problems for the people tasked with disabling or killing the shooter.

[stryder]

My Niece was born and lives in Georgia, US and currently a dual citizen until she's old enough to decide A bad pun, but she might of been discriminated against for being a "duel" citizen).
(Completely offtopic: While looking at the family tree I found one of my very distant cousins died in the US from duelling. Apparently he and the person he duelled travelled from North Carolina to Savannah, Georgia as at the time Duelling had been outlawed in many states but Georgia was still the "Wild West".)

As a US citizen, she should technically be allowed "Due process" as per the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment.

It's just her dismissal was without any of the things you'd assume would be necessary:
She wasn't identified to the local constabulary or escorted from the school by constabulary (If she was such a threat, wouldn't that be the thing to do?)
Rumours have spread around the school as to why she was expelled (Such as bomb threats, or threating to shoot the school up etc) and thats because it wasn't handled with any subtlety (It was tannoyed around the school) that she was expelled, it's not like they had a huge assembley to explain why to kids she was expelled and what it was that caused it.

I do wonder if perhaps somewhere in her low number of Tiktok "Friends" there is a plant somewhere (A school tutor or "incel" just happy to direct issues at schools) as it would explain the speed of her being caught and why the police were not involved. If it was the case it would be an illegal wiretap (although I know there is potential Patriot Act clauses), however without further investigation it's just speculation.

[Zinjanthropos]

If you want safety implementations at your local school hire a trans teacher who wears a large pair of prosthetic boobs, in Canada anyways. Read on…

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trans-teac...-classroom

Prosthetic boobs vs cap guns….somethings got to give.

[Syne]

My Niece was born and lives in Georgia, US and currently a dual citizen until she's old enough to decide A bad pun, but she might of been discriminated against for being a "duel" citizen).

Only in the US are you a citizen simply for being born here. My mother was born in Germany, but that doesn't mean anything there.

As a US citizen, she should technically be allowed "Due process" as per the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment.

It's just her dismissal was without any of the things you'd assume would be necessary:
She wasn't identified to the local constabulary or escorted from the school by constabulary (If she was such a threat, wouldn't that be the thing to do?)
Rumours have spread around the school as to why she was expelled (Such as bomb threats, or threating to shoot the school up etc) and thats because it wasn't handled with any subtlety (It was tannoyed around the school) that she was expelled, it's not like they had a huge assembley to explain why to kids she was expelled and what it was that caused it.

That's the problem with leftists and school policies. Leftists want to freak out as if any hint of a gun is an imminent threat of violence (poorly developed amygdalae unable to properly assess threats) and school policies are not criminal/legal affairs. So the perceived threat can trigger a snow flake leftist but have zero legal ramifications requiring zero police action whatsoever.

I do wonder if perhaps somewhere in her low number of Tiktok "Friends" there is a plant somewhere (A school tutor or "incel" just happy to direct issues at schools) as it would explain the speed of her being caught and why the police were not involved. If it was the case it would be an illegal wiretap (although I know there is potential Patriot Act clauses), however without further investigation it's just speculation.

Police would never be involved without an overt threat...which simply showing a gun in a video is not in the US. Our First Amendment rights ensure offensive speech/art is not a criminal act. But snitching classmates or even social media platforms taking it upon themselves to inform the school could be a factor.

[confused2]

Given the dual nationality I assume at least one parent must be of UK origin. Possibly the UK parent has failed to understand or communicate that (by English standards) they are living in a country full of lunatics.