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Self Compassion vs Self Esteem

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Magical Realist Offline
"The great angst of modern life is this: no matter how hard we try, no matter how successful we are, no matter how good a parent, worker, or spouse we are – it’s never enough. There is always someone richer, thinner, smarter, or more powerful, someone that makes us feel small in comparison. Failure of any kind, large or small, is unacceptable. The result: therapist’s offices, pharmaceutical companies, and the self-help aisles of bookstores are besieged by people who feel they’re not okay as they are. What to do?

One response has come in the form of the self-esteem movement. Over the years there have been literally thousands of books and magazine articles promoting self-esteem – how to get it, raise it and keep it. The pursuit of high self-esteem has become a virtual religion, but research indicates this has serious downsides. Our culture has become so competitive we need to feel special and above average to just to feel okay about ourselves (being called “average” is an insult). Most people, therefore, feel compelled to create what psychologists call a “self-enhancement bias” – puffing ourselves up and putting others down so that we can feel superior in comparison. However, this constant need to feel better than our fellow human beings leads to a sense of isolation and separation. And then, once you’ve gotten high self-esteem, how do you keep it? It’s an emotional roller-coaster ride: our sense of self-worth bounces around like a ping-pong ball, rising and falling in lock-step with our latest success or failure.

One of the most insidious consequences of the self-esteem movement over the last couple of decades is the narcissism epidemic. Jean Twenge, author of Generation Me, examined the narcissism levels of over 15,000 U.S. college students between 1987 and 2006. During that 20-year period, narcissism scores went through the roof, with 65 percent of modern-day students scoring higher in narcissism than previous generations. Not coincidentally, students’ average self-esteem levels rose by an even greater margin over the same period. Self-esteem has also been linked to aggression, prejudice and anger towards those who threaten our sense of self-worth. For example, some kids build up their egos by beating up other kids in the playground. It’s hardly healthy.

Of course we don’t want to suffer from low self-esteem either, so what’s the alternative? There is another way to feel good about ourselves: self-compassion. Self-compassion involves being kind to ourselves when life goes awry or we notice something about ourselves we don’t like, rather than being cold or harshly self-critical. It recognizes that the human condition is imperfect, so that we feel connected to others when we fail or suffer rather than feeling separate or isolated. It also involves mindfulness — the recognition and non-judgmental acceptance of painful emotions as they arise in the present moment. Rather than suppressing our pain or else making it into an exaggerated personal soap opera, we see ourselves and our situation clearly.

It’s important to distinguish self-compassion from self-esteem. Self-esteem refers to the degree to which we evaluate ourselves positively. It represents how much we like or value ourselves, and is often based on comparisons with others. In contrast, self-compassion is not based on positive judgments or evaluations, it is a way of relating to ourselves. People feel self-compassion because they are human beings, not because they are special and above average. It emphasizes interconnection rather than separateness. This means that with self-compassion, you don’t have to feel better than others to feel good about yourself. It also offers more emotional stability than self-esteem because it is always there for you – when you’re on top of the world and when you fall flat on your face.

Research indicates that self-compassion offers the same benefits as self-esteem (less depression, greater happiness, etc.) without its downsides. In a large survey conducted with over 3000 people from various walks of life, for example, it was found self-compassion was associated with much more stable feelings of self-worth (assessed 12 different times over an 8 month period) than self-esteem. This may be related to the fact that self-compassion was also found to be less contingent on things like physical attractiveness or successful performances than self-esteem. Also, self-esteem had a strong association with narcissism while self-compassion had no association with narcissism.

Another study asked people to recall a previous failure, rejection, or loss that made them feel badly about themselves. One group of participants was asked to think about the event in ways that increased their self-compassion. Another group was asked to think about the situation in ways that protected or bolstered their self-esteem. People who received the self-compassion instruction reported less negative emotions when thinking about the past event than those in the self-esteem condition. Moreover, those in the self-compassion condition took more personal responsibility for the event than those in the self-esteem condition. This suggests that – unlike self-esteem – self-compassion does not lead to blaming others in order to feel good about oneself.

Instead of endlessly chasing self-esteem as if it were the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, therefore, I would argue that we should encourage the development of self-compassion. That way, whether we’re on top of the world or at the bottom of the heap, we can embrace ourselves with a sense a kindness, connectedness and emotional balance. We can provide the emotional safety needed to see ourselves clearly and make whatever changes are necessary to address our suffering. We can learn to feel good about ourselves not because we’re special and above average, but because we’re human beings intrinsically worthy of respect."--- https://self-compassion.org/why-self-com...lf-esteem/
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C C Offline
(Aug 29, 2023 09:50 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [...] One of the most insidious consequences of the self-esteem movement over the last couple of decades is the narcissism epidemic. Jean Twenge, author of Generation Me, examined the narcissism levels of over 15,000 U.S. college students between 1987 and 2006. During that 20-year period, narcissism scores went through the roof, with 65 percent of modern-day students scoring higher in narcissism than previous generations. Not coincidentally, students’ average self-esteem levels rose by an even greater margin over the same period. Self-esteem has also been linked to aggression, prejudice and anger towards those who threaten our sense of self-worth. For example, some kids build up their egos by beating up other kids in the playground. It’s hardly healthy. [...]


Explains a lot in this century. "Snowflake" is kind of a misnomer, since being "easy to take offense" doesn't necessarily entail a passive reaction or lack of volatile response to the perceived outrages (i.e., a "melting") -- especially in the long term. The types who shoot people in stores, schools, or churches have tender sensitivities that got stepped on at various times.

Not really anything new, either. Nobles and gentry of the past were self-infatuated, with an array of delicate sensibilities figuratively protruding from them like whiskers, waiting to be triggered. And sticklers for precise etiquette, becoming infuriated if their pretentious mores and status weren't respected. Only difference is that such narcissism isn't confined to aristocracy anymore, but spread across all levels of society by radical egalitarian motivations.
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confused2 Offline
I think this may have something to do with the position even totally passive people find themselves in..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiss_up_kick_down
Wikipedia Wrote:Kiss up kick down is a neologism used to describe the situation where middle-level employees in an organization are polite and flattering to superiors but abusive to subordinates.[1] The term is believed to have originated in the US, with the first documented use having occurred in 1993. A similar expression (lit. "lick up, kick down") was used by Swedish punk band Ebba Grön in one of their songs, on an album released in 1981. The concept can be applied to any social interaction where one person believes they have power over another person and believes that another person has power over them.[2][3]
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Magical Realist Offline
I keep clear the distinction between self-esteem and self-compassion by imagining the object of compassion as my 6 yr old inner child. There is no self-judgement here or moralizing the issue. Just a gentle guidance and encouragement to learn and try new things and just be yourself. I was a curious boy, mixing together chemicals from the bathroom and using them to kill insects. lol Yeah, a little psycho maybe. But just an innocent kid exploring the vast and interesting world. I am still that little boy on the inside.
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Syne Offline
Self-compassion just sounds like a way to let yourself off the hook for your circumstances, apropos of a child who cannot be held accountable.
The only problem with "self-esteem" is when it's promoted without relation to actual value. Teaching children they should have it without any tangible merit other than existing is what causes unreasonable self-importance and needy attention seeking. Teaching children to have merit and offer value to others is the only real self-esteem. You teach that through skills and values. Teaching people to just feel good about themselves, without any real underlying reason to do so, just leads to narcissism, imposture syndrome, attention seeking, more of a need for external validation, etc..

And knowing this, it's clear that the left largely pushed the fake "self-esteem" movement, as it's their children who most exemplify the attendant problems. People who now feel personally attacked by simple disagreement (the opposite of validation), self-important to the censorious exclusion of any contrary viewpoints into any discussion, and basically just spoiled brats, who feel entitled to looting, rioting, killed babies, etc. etc...
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