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Death is an illusion of change

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Ostronomos Offline
Because unconsciousness is a paradox. Consciousness is collective so in order to die there must be a parallel reality in which the consciousness must live to see its own death. Thus the physical body is not "your own". You are the consciousness in which the physical bodies appear. And so death of the physical body is not a death at all. And so immortality must be real because Schrodinger said so and because at best it has been known by enlightened masters such as Ramana Maharishi that which is the death of the physical body cannot be the death of you. And so one can be immortal. You are perceiving by creating reality. You are the universe creating itself by observing itself. The physical body and matter appears to you (where physical laws act as restrictions on state from the nothing of which things are) and it is created by your conscious viewing and perceiving.
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Magical Realist Offline
Quote:You are the consciousness in which the physical bodies appear. And so death of the physical body is not a death at all.

I think I agree. We are at our core a golden kernal of consciousness on an eternal journey thru the universe. We shed bodies, and worlds, like snakes shed their skin.
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(Aug 27, 2023 08:52 PM)Ostronomos Wrote: Because unconsciousness is a paradox. Consciousness is collective so in order to die there must be a parallel reality in which the consciousness must live to see its own death. Thus the physical body is not "your own". You are the consciousness in which the physical bodies appear. And so death of the physical body is not a death at all. And so immortality must be real because Schrodinger said so [...]


Even in a quantum immortality scenario (below), you'd still have to be embodied (in order to have memories, think, be aware, etc). At some point you'd become so old in a particular universe that it's just not possible to survive anymore on that normal type "route" through parallel worlds. There might be possible worlds with crazy situations that continued to keep you alive, but one could only speculate what those might be, and how such bizarre extremes could be the case even in a Many Worlds interpretation.

Does quantum immortality save Schrödinger's cat?
https://youtu.be/QTZZUjnrbF8

VIDEO EXCERPT: . . . This thought experiment is sometimes called quantum immortality. You can imagine that any process leading to mortality is ultimately a sequence of quantum events - so there are timelines in which those incremental steps towards death never happen.

Keep that in mind before you try crawling into Schrodinger’s box yourself - you’re already testing Many Worlds by just existing.

Hugh Everett, who first came up with the many Worlds interpretation, actually believed in this sort of quantum immortality. He smoked 3 packs a day, drank heavily, didn’t exercise, and died of a heart attack at age 51. At least in THIS timeline.

Max Tegmark makes a good point regarding quantum immortality - which is that death is an incremental process, not a single quantum event. So the closer you are, the fewer Many Worlds timelines include your survival.

And even if some insanely rare branches of your wavefunction keep you alive beyond your years, I’d advise you to quit smoking and do some crunches anyway - from where you stand now, your thread of consciousness is going to have to experience every single one of the bad future timelines. Might as well try to make more of them good.

Also, Many Worlds might be wrong - I say live as though this is your one quantum timeline...


https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/QTZZUjnrbF8
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