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Black holes will eventually destroy all quantum states, researchers argue

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https://www.quantamagazine.org/black-hol...-20230307/

INTRO: At Princeton University in the early 1970s, the celebrated theoretical physicist John Wheeler could be spotted in seminars or impromptu hallway discussions drawing a big “U.” The letter’s left tip represented the beginning of the universe, where everything was uncertain and all quantum possibilities were happening at the same time. The letter’s right tip, sometimes adorned with an eye, depicted an observer looking back in time, thus bringing the left side of the U into existence.

In this “participatory universe,” as Wheeler called it, the cosmos expanded and cooled around the U, forming structures and eventually creating observers, like humans and measuring apparatus. By looking back to the early universe, these observers somehow made it real.

“He would say things like ‘No phenomenon is a true phenomenon until it’s an observed phenomenon,’” said Robert M. Wald, a theoretical physicist at the University of Chicago who was Wheeler’s doctoral student at the time. John Wheeler’s “participatory universe” suggests that observers make the universe real.

Now, by studying how quantum theory behaves on the horizon of a black hole, Wald and his collaborators have calculated a new effect that is suggestive of Wheeler’s participatory universe. The mere presence of a black hole, they’ve found, is enough to turn a particle’s hazy “superposition” — the state of being in multiple potential states — into a well-defined reality. “It evokes the idea that these black hole horizons are watching,” said co-author Gautam Satishchandran, a theoretical physicist at Princeton.

“What we have found might be a quantum mechanical realization of [the participatory universe], but where space-time itself plays the role of the observer,” said Daine Danielson, the third author, also at Chicago.

Theorists are now debating what to read into these watchful black holes. “This seems to be telling us something deep about the way gravity influences measurement in quantum mechanics,” said Sam Gralla, a theoretical astrophysicist at the University of Arizona. But whether this will prove useful for researchers inching toward a complete theory of quantum gravity is still anyone’s guess.

The effect is one of many uncovered in the past decade by physicists studying what happens when quantum theory is combined with gravity at low energies. For example, theorists have had great success thinking about Hawking radiation, which causes black holes to slowly evaporate. “Subtle effects that we hadn’t really noticed before give us constraints from which we can glean clues about how to go up toward quantum gravity,” said Alex Lupsasca, a theoretical physicist at Vanderbilt University who was not involved in the new research.

These observant black holes seem to produce an effect that’s “very arresting,” Lupsasca said, “because it feels like somehow it’s deep.” (MORE - details)
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A nice story. Apparently backed up by 'solid consensus physics'. Too bad for that avant-garde new take if there are in fact no BHs with 'horizons':
https://www.researchgate.net/publication...al_Gravity

"However, unlike the traditional weak field metric interpretation and its black hole horizon characteristics, the strong field Yilmaz exponential parametrization displays no such horizon. Therefore black holes do not exist in this parametrization and no singularity ever develop [8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15]. The universe is everywhere regular, in complete agreement with basic observations. No event horizon has ever been observed by astronomers or astrophysicists even though black holes are widely believe to exist. Alternative explanations can be found in the literature (e.g. MECOs [14, 16, 17]), but they meet to this day considerable and somewhat irrational distrust and rejection"
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Extreme horizons in space could lure quantum states into reality
https://www.sciencealert.com/extreme-hor...to-reality

INTRO: Nearly a century has passed since scientists broke the Universe. Through a complex mix of experiment and theory, physicists discovered an engine built on the mathematics of probability ticks away below the façade of reality.

Referred to in vague terms as the Copenhagen interpretation, this take on the theory underpinning quantum mechanics says everything can be described as a possibility – until we're forced to describe it as an actuality.

But what does that even mean?

In spite of decades of experimentation and philosophizing, the gap between the unsettled properties of a quantum system and a measurement we all see with our own eyes has barely shrunk. For all the talk of collapsing waveforms, cats in boxes, and observer effects, we're no closer to understanding the nature of reality than those early physicists were in the late 1920s.

Yet some researchers think clues might be found in the space between quantum physics and another majestic theory born in the early 20th century – Einstein's famous general theory of relativity.

Last year, a small group of physicists from the University of Chicago argued the mere presence of a black hole somewhere nearby tugs at the strings of a mass in a blur of quantum states and forces it to pick a single fate.

Now they've returned with a follow-up prediction, presenting their views on different kinds of horizons, in a pre-print ahead of peer review... (MORE - missing details)
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