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(UK) No one should be forced to declare their pronouns

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C C Offline
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/06/29...-pronouns/

EXCERPTS (Joanna Williams): Look closely next time you pop into your local bank, department store or supermarket and you’ll notice an addition to the uniforms of put-upon cashiers and clerks: the pronoun badge. [...] Pronoun badges have been around for a few years now, but in that time they have moved from the fringe to the mainstream.

[...] Halifax is one of many banks that now expects employees to declare their pronouns. The company’s rainbow-flag adorned Twitter profile informs the world that ‘pronouns matter’ [...] According to the Food PR manager at Marks & Spencer, staff pronoun badges have ‘helped start some very necessary conversations around gender identity and non-binary experiences’...

[...] pronoun badges have come to epitomise woke virtue-signalling. On one level, they are a completely pointless gesture. No one really needs a badge to tell them that Barbara on checkout No4 is a woman or that Rob directing customers to the cash machines is a bloke. And if, on the rare occasion, there is any confusion, people have long proved capable of talking, laughing and apologising to each other.

Pronoun badges are pernicious. Expecting people to adorn themselves in ‘she/her/hers’ labels is degrading and infantilising. It suggests we are incapable of the most mundane social interactions without visual directives. Although companies often rush to point out that wearing badges is optional, staff who refuse to wear them risk being thought a contrarian at best or a bigot at worst.

The practice of pronoun declaring took off in US schools and colleges a few years ago. [...] This is a horrible, coercive practice to inflict upon children and young adults. It forces those who are struggling with their gender identity to out themselves in front of classmates and friends. And it leaves those who refuse to participate in the ritual open to being branded transphobic transgressors.

[...] As the advice to teachers shows, the aim of making pronoun declarations routine is to normalise the idea that everyone has a gender identity distinct from their sex...

But there are other reasons why pronoun badges have taken off. They provide a cheap way for big companies to show the world that they are up to speed with the latest woke thinking – that they are nice, progressive, inclusive organisations. Forget the fact that you are kept on hold for an hour when you try to phone your bank, or that your local branch has closed down. Instead, just bask in the warm glow of knowing that poorly paid call-handlers and clerks are trans-aware.

Despite the virtue-signalling, there is nothing nice about pronoun badges. [...] Donning a pronoun badge becomes an act of compliance, a sign of submission to woke values. This is a humiliating way for managers to control workers. It is no longer enough for employees to sell their time and be good at their job – they are now expected to hand over their identity and their values to their employer as well... (MORE - missing details)
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I suppose it’s better than guessing. Years ago a guy shook my hand and afterwards inquired if I was gay. Apparently there was a special handshake gay people used to determine if you might be gay also. Had to explain I suffered from Dupuytren’s Contracture and my fingers didn’t behave normally (since corrected).

It’s the evolution from secret signals and gestures to easy full blown identity markers…only thing I can think of. Personally I’ve never seen a gender badge or paid attention to one being worn. I would bet that today there are less mistakes like the one who shook my hand made. Saves one from embarrassment I’d imagine. Yet none of these changes will influence my buying or voting decisions, at least I hope not.

One of my favourite identity markers from the past was the shirt with a pointed arrow that said ‘I’m with stupid’. Even better when both sides of a couple wore one. If you feel stupid wearing a gender badge then why isn’t that feeling given any consideration? I mean solving the emotional hurt for one may recreate the same symptoms for someone else. Maybe that’s why I see the humor sometimes.
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I've reached the age (+retired) when I generally assume I won't be having sex with people while they're at work but I'm if it makes the young folks feel happier then I'm all for it -sex/pronouns/whichever. As an employer I would probably have rules against sex while with customers or with customers or solo.. actually quite a lot of rules. I must say it was a lot simpler when people just went to work to work and could be fired for anything non-work related during work hours.
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(Jun 30, 2022 12:27 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: I suppose it’s better than guessing. Years ago a guy shook my hand and afterwards inquired if I was gay. Apparently there was a special handshake gay people used to determine if you might be gay also. Had to explain I suffered from Dupuytren’s Contracture and my fingers didn’t behave normally (since corrected).

It’s the evolution from secret signals and gestures to easy full blown identity markers…only thing I can think of. Personally I’ve never seen a gender badge or paid attention to one being worn. I would bet that today there are less mistakes like the one who shook my hand made. Saves one from embarrassment I’d imagine. Yet none of these changes will influence my buying or voting decisions, at least I hope not.

One of my favourite identity markers from the past was the shirt with a pointed arrow that said ‘I’m with stupid’. Even better when both sides of a couple wore one. If you feel stupid wearing a gender badge then why isn’t that feeling given any consideration? I mean solving the emotional hurt for one may recreate the same symptoms for someone else. Maybe that’s why I see the humor sometimes.

i got friendly with a customer once who offered to shake my hand after i served him.
he gave me some type of secret handshake and when i did not return the gesture he freaked out.
i suspect it was a secret club.
he always chose someone else to serve him after that.
i wonder what might have ensued had i copied his handshake.

i was told by a person to never try and fake any secret handshakes always keep your hand shake straight and i did.

as for gay people ive had plenty chat me up thinking i was gay
and no shortage of others inquiring if i was as if they were a tourist wanting information.
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