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Remember Wi Spa?

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Syne Offline
Wi Spa was the site of a viral video of a woman complaining about a man exposing himself to women and young girls in the women's lockers/showers. Spa employees said they couldn't do anything, due to California laws preventing them from discriminating on the basis of "gender identity." So sane people protested both the law and the spa, and were counter-protested by supposed "trans-rights" activists.

And sane people also had some inkling of what allowing biological men into biological women's spaces would ultimately mean:

Los Angeles authorities have charged a 52-year-old with indecent exposure at a popular Korean spa that was the subject of a viral Instagram post earlier this summer.

The LA police department (LAPD) announced late on Thursday that it had put out an arrest warrant for Darren Merager, who is now facing five felony counts of indecent exposure at Wi Spa in the Koreatown neighborhood.
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Merager has been a registered sex offender since 2006, police said, and has a history of previous indecent exposure charges. Merager was convicted of indecent exposure in LA in 2002 and 2003, and pleaded not guilty to seven counts of indecent exposure in an alleged December 2018 case, according to court records.That case is still open.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021...gram-video


And I call bullshit on:

Luis A Vasquez, a legal scholar at the UCLA Williams Institute and expert on LGBTQ+ protections, noted that there was no evidence that the passage of trans-inclusive policies for bathrooms and public spaces had led to increased safety risks or harms.

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C C Offline
(Sep 4, 2021 02:58 AM)Syne Wrote: [...] And I call bullshit on:

Luis A Vasquez, a legal scholar at the UCLA Williams Institute and expert on LGBTQ+ protections, noted that there was no evidence that the passage of trans-inclusive policies for bathrooms and public spaces had led to increased safety risks or harms.


A URL reference that was there somewhere: No link between trans-inclusive policies and bathroom safety, study finds


But these days, law school and social sciences research have about as much impartiality credibility as Catholic Social Scientists. Perhaps less, after the last four years or so. (Actually, that side of science was never much reliable, but it took decades for the flaws to be publicly acknowledged or quantified, critically tabulated all in all their squalid glory.)
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Syne Offline
(Sep 4, 2021 04:05 AM)C C Wrote:

A URL reference that was there somewhere: No link between trans-inclusive policies and bathroom safety, study finds


But these days, law school and social sciences research have about as much impartiality credibility as Catholic Social Scientists. Perhaps less, after the last four years or so. (Actually, that side of science was never much reliable, but it took decades for the flaws to be publicly acknowledged or quantified, critically tabulated all in all their squalid glory.)

Yeah, a law school doesn't have any credentials for doing a scientifically rigorous study of anything.

Finding what appears to be an older version of the same paper, by most the same authors: https://escholarship.org/uc/item/4rs4n6h0
Their methodology seems very flawed to me. They basically took a state that was already pretty welcoming to transgenders, in employment, housing, credit, and service anti-discrimination laws, and tried to compare localities that had explicit transgender public accommodation laws with those that didn't.

Now I'm sure they thought that was a good method to account for confounding factors, but I doubt that many in a state already so accommodating would report or list such reported crimes as having anything to do with a purported transgender. For that, you'd have to find a way to compare Massachusetts with states much less accommodating, in order to account for state-wide public opinion.

And it's nowhere near as hard as they make it out to be to compare locales with very different crime rates, demographics, etc.. I'd chalk that one up to laziness.
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Zinjanthropos Offline
Allowing perverts a loophole cannot be good.

What’s next? Age identity? Adults vs kids?
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