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Yazata
Aug 13, 2021 05:05 AM
(Aug 13, 2021 03:20 AM)Leigha Wrote: I don't think this has as much to do with QAnon as it has to do with severe mental illness/psychosis.
Just from the narrative in the OP it sounds like this guy was suffering from psychiatric delusions.
Quote:He could say whatever he wants, the Illuminati ''made'' me do it, but sounds like this might be his attempt at an insanity plea
If he really believes that his wife has "reptilian dna" which she passed on to the kids who had to be killed, he sounds like an insanity plea would be justified. If I was the wife, I'd want him held without bail as well, since he will likely be a danger to her too. She's the one with "reptilian dna".
Quote:I didn't think people were still buying into QAnon. Probably a lot more to the story will come out.
The whole "reptilian dna" thing doesn't sound like 'illuminati' or 'QAnon' (which largely exist as the objects of a different set of conspiracy theories) so much as Britain's own David Icke (who does have followers).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke
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Syne
Aug 13, 2021 05:06 AM
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AFAIK, reptilian conspiracies are not part of QAnon, but they are part of the UFO crazies MR shares so much with.
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Leigha
Aug 13, 2021 05:38 AM
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(Aug 13, 2021 05:05 AM)Yazata Wrote: (Aug 13, 2021 03:20 AM)Leigha Wrote: I don't think this has as much to do with QAnon as it has to do with severe mental illness/psychosis.
Just from the narrative in the OP it sounds like this guy was suffering from psychiatric delusions.
Quote:He could say whatever he wants, the Illuminati ''made'' me do it, but sounds like this might be his attempt at an insanity plea
If he really believes that his wife has "reptilian dna" which she passed on to the kids who had to be killed, he sounds like an insanity plea would be justified. If I was the wife, I'd want him held without bail as well, since he will likely be a danger to her too. She's the one with "reptilian dna".
Quote:I didn't think people were still buying into QAnon. Probably a lot more to the story will come out.
The whole "reptilian dna" thing doesn't sound like 'illuminati' or 'QAnon' (which largely exist as the objects of a different set of conspiracy theories) so much as Britain's own David Icke (who does have followers).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke Yea, not sure how a plea deal will work out for him. I believe that the insanity defense claims that a person wasn't responsible for their own actions, when their crime(s) were committed. Coleman stating that he 'knew what he did was wrong,' shows that while he could have been detached from reality, on some level, he knew the consequences. The thing that I hope doesn't happen is that this becomes a story about how ''crazy'' right wing conspiracy theories are (although some can be), as if that is what leads otherwise rational people to murder.
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Syne
Aug 13, 2021 06:00 AM
(Aug 13, 2021 05:05 AM)Yazata Wrote: The whole "reptilian dna" thing doesn't sound like 'illuminati' or 'QAnon' (which largely exist as the objects of a different set of conspiracy theories) so much as Britain's own David Icke (who does have followers).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke While definitely the originator, there is at least one citation connecting it to the Illuminati: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_...gami2016-5
(Aug 13, 2021 05:38 AM)Leigha Wrote: The thing that I hope doesn't happen is that this becomes a story about how ''crazy'' right wing conspiracy theories are (although some can be), as if that is what leads otherwise rational people to murder. That's exactly what that CNN article is meant to do. AFAIK QAnon doesn't advocate violence, but the leftist media is quick to claim that violence is linked to it (even though they deny more direct links, like Bernie Sanders' rhetoric leading up to the congressional baseball game shooting).
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Zinjanthropos
Aug 13, 2021 01:01 PM
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Not trying to sound cold, just trying to make sense if there is any. I’ll call it Perverse evolution, maybe some leftover ancestral DNA that allows for this abnormality of killing one’s offspring. It’s a special macabre category of the Darwin Awards. In the worst method possible, he’s guaranteed his genes will not be passed on. Similar to murder suicide and likewise in this case the perpetrator, whether vying for a insanity plea or not, has voluntarily removed himself from the gene pool as well. Personally I think he’s absolutely insane yet needs to be found guilty of premeditated murder and put to sleep.
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Leigha
Aug 14, 2021 12:22 AM
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(Aug 13, 2021 06:00 AM)Syne Wrote: That's exactly what that CNN article is meant to do. AFAIK QAnon doesn't advocate violence, but the leftist media is quick to claim that violence is linked to it (even though they deny more direct links, like Bernie Sanders' rhetoric leading up to the congressional baseball game shooting).
QAnon has been mentioned in several articles as being partially responsible for the Capitol riot (along with other “right wing conspiracy” groups), but who knows. From what I’ve read, QAnon is against Trump, yes? I’m so confused. lol
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Syne
Aug 14, 2021 01:49 AM
No, QAnon is pro-Trump, but that's not enough to claim it advocated violence...unless you're a conspiracy theorist on the left side of the aisle.
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Leigha
Aug 14, 2021 05:03 PM
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Since most on the left believe Trump incited violence, motivating the Capitol riot, any fringe group remotely in favor of him, will be branded as having violent tendencies, which is unfair in that Trump (or any politician) shouldn’t be held responsible for the actions of conspiracy theory cults. (QAnon seems cult-like, imo.)
In most articles where QAnon is mentioned, they’re regarded as a group with violent tendencies; whether they’re actually encouraging violence in their followers, who knows, but you don’t have to be factual as a journalist these days.
Edit - lol Funnily enough, I’m just noticing under “possibly related threads”:
https://www.scivillage.com/thread-9214.html
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Zinjanthropos
Aug 14, 2021 05:50 PM
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Do you think, as Trump suggested, that more mental institutions would eliminate some of these mindless killings? IOW ...was he actually right?
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C C
Aug 14, 2021 07:46 PM
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(Aug 14, 2021 05:50 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Do you think, as Trump suggested, that more mental institutions would eliminate some of these mindless killings? IOW ...was he actually right?
Occasionally, it's reported that a murderer or mass murderer requested entrance to or treatment from a mental car facility before they did the deed(s). So for those, the old state institutions that supposedly allowed a person to commit themselves without much stipulation, red-tape, two-week delays, and "you have no insurance for this" impediments MIGHT have been useful. (The "homeless" [bums] of that era often did it during the winter just to get out of the cold.)
But those with homicidal urges not having been diagnosed in the past with mental illness, and having no experiences of treating it with drugs, therapy, etc -- would of course be rarely receptive to the idea of trying to stop themselves in that manner or any other. " I'm not crazy, I'm just saner than everybody else. The faculty of Kentworthy College have to die at that retirement party to prevent the machinations of the Vorst Club from being fulfilled."
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