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stryder
Jan 29, 2019 12:57 AM
I didn't do a particular good job of identifying the number of considerations. For instance if you give CPR to someone and do so too hard, perhaps bruising them or breaking a rib and they survive, they can sue.
In essence if you pick a particular choice and it's perceived the wrong one you could end up with someone hunting you down over it (which is one of the reasons some people might stand by idly)
Further to the point if you can not identify information about who the choice is being made about, you could open yourself up to further backlash. What if the five people you save from the trolley all turn out to be serial killers that go off on their own separate rampages and snub dozens of lives each?
It would imply that for those with a utilitarian objective they'd have to assume that everyone is inherently good and worth saving, but that isn't always the case. In fact someone can claim that they would save lives if faced with the problem, but then proceed to walk out of the test centre passing a homeless person without a second glance.
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Syne
Jan 29, 2019 01:20 AM
(Jan 29, 2019 12:36 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: (Jan 28, 2019 10:05 PM)Syne Wrote: Are you asking if human death is inconsequential to a god? I doubt it, as human existence entails things a god cannot, as itself, experience.
Christ almighty! Hehe. That was the most generous interpretation.
Quote:Syne Wrote:Only devaluation is a social construct. Our native state is one of self-value.
Self-value?
Self-reflection?
Self-preservation?
Self-concepts?
Are they not drives and effects arising from an emergent social structure? Drives are inherent, not socially emergent.
A drive is an "excitatory state produced by a homeostatic disturbance", an instinctual need that has the power of driving the behaviour of an individual.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_theory
Quote:Syne Wrote:Ahem. How do you determine what choice accomplishes that?
How do you determine the value of happiness?
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That only supports my point.
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Secular Sanity
Jan 29, 2019 02:20 AM
(Jan 29, 2019 01:20 AM)Syne Wrote: Drives are inherent, not socially emergent.
A drive is an "excitatory state produced by a homeostatic disturbance", an instinctual need that has the power of driving the behaviour of an individual.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_theory
That's not the definition.
What’s the difference between drive and motivation?
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Syne
Jan 29, 2019 02:44 AM
(Jan 29, 2019 02:20 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: (Jan 29, 2019 01:20 AM)Syne Wrote: Drives are inherent, not socially emergent.
A drive is an "excitatory state produced by a homeostatic disturbance", an instinctual need that has the power of driving the behaviour of an individual.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_theory
That's not the definition.
What’s the difference between drive and motivation?
Oh, I get that you're still trolling. Hence the very brief replies. Apparently that's enough to motivate you.
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Secular Sanity
Jan 29, 2019 03:13 AM
(Jan 29, 2019 02:44 AM)Syne Wrote: Oh, I get that you're still trolling. Hence the very brief replies. Apparently that's enough to motivate you.
I just don't think you have anything of value to offer. You're more like a parasite than a troll. If you can't even bring yourself to relieve one simple curiosity of mine then you have nothing coming. Blog away Mr. Know-it-all.
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RainbowUnicorn
Jan 29, 2019 04:33 AM
(Jan 28, 2019 06:18 AM)Leigha Wrote: A similar link was posted on ''the science forum'' a couple of years ago, and it offers some insight into not only our perceptions about psychopaths, but could it reveal if you're one, too? I don't quite understand the rationale behind the test, even when explained by some of the science forumists, it still seemed too simplistic to really define the depth of psychopathy.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style...51721.html
scam
trend whoring click bait
trend being what ever is current words/phrases etc(this is click bait self discovery trivia like astrology junky click bait links)
whoring being the practice of extreme exploitation of something.
its quick
it appears simple
it appears to include everyone
it can be used as a form of communication gossip between people
classic scam type item where scammers are waiting to predate on people as they observe their responses.
some of the most successful global scams have used this type of thing.
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Syne
Jan 29, 2019 04:35 AM
(Jan 29, 2019 03:13 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: (Jan 29, 2019 02:44 AM)Syne Wrote: Oh, I get that you're still trolling. Hence the very brief replies. Apparently that's enough to motivate you.
I just don't think you have anything of value to offer. You're more like a parasite than a troll. If you can't even bring yourself to relieve one simple curiosity of mine then you have nothing coming. Blog away Mr. Know-it-all.
Wow. After the countless questions of mine you patently refuse to answer, I don't answer a single one of yours and you throw a little fit. I would quote you the definition of "hypocrite", but you'd no doubt deny that definition too. And value or not, it's still seems enough to motivate you.
Or is it a drive? Why should you care so much about something so inconsequential?
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Syne
Jan 29, 2019 05:25 PM
This would be a marginally better test for a psychopath:
It is a story about a girl. While at the funeral of her own mother, she met a guy whom she did not know. She thought this guy was amazing, so much her dream guy she believed him to be, that she fell in love with him then and there. A few days later, the girl killed her own sister. What is her motive in killing her sister?
My guess was that she'd met her sister's husband for the first time.
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Leigha
Jan 29, 2019 08:37 PM
Did you know that most psychopaths DON'T have a propensity towards murder? The average psychopath could be your boss, or significant other. Or even your neighbor.
Regarding that riddle Syne, I'd say that is very typical of sociopaths, psychopaths...they claim to fall in love quickly. They feign love, because they are only capable of mirroring the behaviors of those around them. So, in that case, she was jealous of her sister's relationship, and probably had no feelings for the guy at all. How could anyone fall in love that quickly, anyway? So, she gets her way, by murdering her sister, so she can ruin her sister's happiness. And the husband will be her next victim, not a love interest.
Once you know how they tick, psychopaths are pretty transparent.
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Syne
Jan 29, 2019 09:01 PM
The psychopath answer is that she killed her sister hoping the guy would show up to that funeral too.
The problem with psychopaths is that their motives are just alien to most people. They see people as just a means an end.
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