(Aug 16, 2018 02:18 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [ -> ] (Aug 15, 2018 11:39 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]In Nietzsche's view, friendship should be casual and playful as well as combative and aggravating, as a means to becoming the ubermensch. As friends, women cannot challenge a man in way that improves him. There's just no incentive or pressure. Where a woman can consider a man a friend, on a par with the sort of competitive friendships they have with other women, a man cannot do so without a physical dislike for a woman. Women cannot preserve friendships with men. Only a man can do that.
And god forbid a man treat a woman as he does other men. Teasing you about your weight, muffin top, saggy tits, wrinkles, crying, etc.? Men to this to other men to strengthen them. But men must treat all women with emotional kid gloves.
Actually, Syne, this is precisely why you bore me. You are incapable of the very thing that you are proclaiming. You’re attempting to put lipstick on a pig. When females display this type of behavior, they’re jealous and catty. Men make fun of each other because they’re uncomfortable with intimacy.
Men do not share the same concern over social reputation that women do, so yes, women know that their remarks are more cutting and men know that theirs make other men more resilient. You're far too myopic if you think men have the same need for intimacy as women do. Men bond by encouraging each other to become Nietzsche's ubermensch...better, more self-actualized men. Only men who lacked a male role model or father figure growing up have the misguided notion that female ideals apply to them.
And again, if I bore you, quit reading.
Quote:I’ve already told you that I’m not seeking reassurance. I’d have a Facebook account, if I was seeking 'likes'. The thing is, though, Syne, C2 is right. You’re not capable of friendship and we do have to treat you with kid gloves.
We both know Facebook "likes" are only the most superficial of validation, and that the validation you seek is of intellectual parity/respect.
Again, for the umpteenth time, men are perfectly capable...when the value is reciprocated. Your natural hypergamy just seems to preclude you from seeing that.
Quote:In your friend you should possess your best enemy, Nietzsche writes.
You haven’t been able to do this as far as I can tell. You swing wild assumptions like a little girl—like a catty little bitch. I think you may even be rushing in with your eyes closed hoping to land a punch.
Friendship is rare and unique. A true friend knows his opponent and recognizes his unique stance.
Now, I don’t want to give him too much credit, but I’ve seen Ben come in with a few good jabs here and there. However, his bluffing leaves something to be desired.
What you’re describing are childhood taunts. Simply standing toe to toe and slugging each other isn’t going to toughen you up. There’s some fancy footwork involved, but so far, I’ve only seen you fly like a butterfly. You’re not going to score any points by simply dancing around your opponent.
So which is it? I'm catty or I have no sting? O_o
You see, being catty is defined as being hurtful. In reality, I have no intention to be either. That you would even suggest so implies that some unintentional swings did land. You should really learn to control the Freudian slips.
But the bigger issue is that you try to classify men under the paradigm of female behavior. And that's why you always fail.
And who said I ever wanted to be friends with you? O_o
You've been the one to make friendly overtures.
Actually, for men, any challenge, verbal or physical, does make them more resilient...so long as they're not already beaten down by social conditioning myths.
Quote: (Aug 16, 2018 12:04 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]But most of what Peterson says is stuff I already knew.
Hmm…why don’t believe you? Theodore Roosevelt said it best when he said that the men who take part in these fights are hard as nails, and it is not worthwhile to feel sentimental about their receiving punishment which as a matter of fact they do not mind. Of course, the men who look on ought to be able to stand up with gloves, or without them, themselves; I have scant use for the type of sportsmanship which consists merely in looking on at the feats of someone else.
Let me know when you’re ready to tackle your emotionally-driven drivel. We could start with your man crush, if you’d like.
You can believe whatever you like, deary.
No man crush on Peterson, as he has a rather cowed, likely Canadian, manner. Now Ben Shapiro...
(Aug 15, 2018 11:39 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]What's much more likely is that men don't like friends who treat them like their gay friend, emotional tampon, handyman, etc. without any real reciprocated value. The female propensity to hypergamy extends to male friends, where they expect more value than they give.
So how do you propose offering a man equal value as a friend? Any idea at all? O_o
