(Apr 4, 2018 01:24 PM)stryder Wrote: [ -> ]I get a bit miffed about the term "Homophobic", mainly because I would suggest that technically I'm homophobic being heterosexual. To me however homophobia is no different than someone having arachnophobia or vertigo (agoraphobia).
I mean you can joke that when I see some hairy legs it makes my skin crawl, but to be honest I can talk to someone who's homosexual with no issues, I can be in the same room or the same car, that's not the issue. The concerns I had when younger (not so prevalent now) was if one made a pass at me or tried to touch me in a manner that I found inappropriate. Those were the concerns since I'm not attracted to men (beyond a platonic relationships.)
This doesn't mean I hate people that are that way incline, it doesn't mean I think they should be killed or injured or not have the lifestyle that suits them, it's just about my own personal preferences and the concerns that surround that.
Homophobia is often slurred like a derogative, however those that wish harm on others for their differences are just plain and simple haters. It would be nice if one day the difference between the terms and viewpoints were better understood, so you know that homophobia isn't a bad thing, hate is.
Yeah, critical or adverse to are far cries from hating and wishing harm, but the modern left finds it far too politically expedient to conflate the two...catching just about every heterosexual (except the virtue-signalers) in the process and reducing the significance of such accusations.
(Apr 4, 2018 05:49 PM)Yazata Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr 4, 2018 01:24 PM)stryder Wrote: [ -> ]I get a bit miffed about the term "Homophobic"
So do I. I don't like it mainly because it intentionally tries to misuse psychiatric terminology ('phobia' in this case) for political ends. That's just fake science.
I agree that many/most heterosexuals do feel some slight repulsion regarding their own participation in homosexual sex. But I don't think that we can say that most of the population suffers from a clinical phobia. My hypothesis is that it's just a natural part of our animal sex drive, something that orients us not only towards individuals that potentially are reproductively compatible sex partners but away from those that aren't. (It's probably why beastiality is repulsive to most people.) A population where individuals mate preferentially with those who are most likely to produce viable offspring will have a selective advantage over a population that humps everything in sight.
Yeah, there are significant evolutionary reasons for a basic aversion.
Quote:Quote:Homophobia is often slurred like a derogative
It's an attempt to reduce social opposition to psychiatric illness. One could just as easily dismiss MR's obvious hatred of people like me as "dextrophobia", fear of the (political) right. It's hugely emotional and ever since Trump's election here in the United States, it seems to have become irrational and increasingly bizarre.
I learned a new word. Thanks Yaz.
Quote:Quote:however those that wish harm on others for their differences are just plain and simple haters. It would be nice if one day the difference between the terms and viewpoints were better understood, so you know that homophobia isn't a bad thing, hate is.
I agree, except that it isn't going to be as easy as that. Everyone has things they approve of and things they don't. Most of us don't approve of murder and abusing children, and typically agree on taking action to suppress those things. Is that desire to suppress "hate"? If not, why not? If it's admirable to oppose some things, why is it "hate" to oppose other things? How is that line drawn?
Well, inciting harm is already illegal, but it seems that the left wants social mob justice that supersedes law (not that they ever had much respect for law to begin with).
(Apr 4, 2018 04:58 PM)Yazata Wrote: [ -> ]I think that there's good reason to believe that the Mendocino coast crash was intentional. The California Highway Patrol increasingly think so.
The car had a 'black box' data recorder. That indicates that the car had pulled off the highway at a dirt pull-off point above where it went off the cliff and was stopped there for a period. That's not unusual since travelers often do that in order to view and photograph the scenic coastline. But when the car was restarted, its driver reportedly stomped on the accelerator and steered towards the edge of the cliff.
The back-story is that one of the children in the 'family' had been going to a Washington state neighbor's house repeatedly complaining of hunger and asking for food. Then another of the children showed up at the neighbor's house begging for protection. The neighbor called Police who alerted state Child Protective Services. An investigation into possible child neglect or abuse was immediately opened on March 23. This sudden road trip to California began at about 8 AM on March 24 just hours after Police and Child Protective Services had first tried to contact the family in a welfare check the previous evening. The Police made two more subsequent visits, but the group was already gone.
It's now appearing that this wasn't the first time. They had pulled the kids from school in Minnesota and disppeared just a day after one of the women had plead guilty to child abuse allegations in that state for beating one of the girls. They resurfaced in Oregon where there was another child abuse case that prompted them to suddenly move to Washington State. Now this thing with Washington's Child Protective Services. It follows them around and a pattern starts to emerge.
So despite the facade of adopting kids from troubled backgrounds and giving them a loving home, the reality may have been less pleasant.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/818278...ighting-of
Yeah, I had read most of that. I wonder if the specter of "homophobia" in removing these kids from their custody had anything to do with their apparent inability to do so in an expedient manner...and subsequently save these children's lives.
(Apr 4, 2018 04:11 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr 4, 2018 01:24 PM)stryder Wrote: [ -> ]I get a bit miffed about the term "Homophobic"
I suggest you acquaint yourself both with how the term homophobia is used nowadays as well as the many manifestations of it in our culture. This is a good overview of it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia
"aversion" and "antipathy" are pretty far from "contempt" and "prejudice".
Stryder is talking about the same aversion in that definition.
Quote:Quote:When the results of ignoring the large minority can be the deaths of 7 innocent people, including 6 children, it is immoral to willfully ignore the problem.
You're merely experiencing the natural exasperation of not being able to prevent a tragedy. That's part of living in a free world where people are allowed to move about freely and make their own decisions. Get used to it. We can't anticipate every incidence of mental breakdown or dysfunction in every family.
"Merely"? O_o
So you'll rail about law-abiding people being allowed to own AR-15s, but 6 innocent children are abused and killed and you say that's life, "get used to it"? O_o
Is it just that they were kids, that they were mostly black, or that you're an immoral hypocrite? O_o
(Apr 4, 2018 07:21 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr 4, 2018 05:49 PM)Yazata Wrote: [ -> ] (Apr 4, 2018 01:24 PM)stryder Wrote: [ -> ]I get a bit miffed about the term "Homophobic"
So do I. I don't like it mainly because it intentionally tries to misuse psychiatric terminology ('phobia' in this case) for political ends. That's just fake science.
I agree that many/most heterosexuals do feel some slight repulsion regarding their own participation in homosexual sex. But I don't think that we can say that most of the population suffers from a clinical phobia. My hypothesis is that it's just a natural part of our animal sex drive, something that orients us not only towards individuals that potentially are reproductively compatible sex partners but away from those that aren't. (It's probably why beastiality is repulsive to most people.) A population where individuals mate preferentially with those who are most likely to produce viable offspring will have a selective advantage over a population that humps everything in sight.
Homophobia isn't the repulsion that comes from viewing a same sexed person as a potential sex partner. It is viewing and treating an LGBT person as less an individual person and more as a type or class that merits moral condemnation and a hypercritical response to anything they do or say. That's how you can tell you're homophobic. Are you reacting negatively to gay people all the time? Are you always spontaneously coming up with reasons to put them down? Yeah...you hate gay people.
So moral condemnation of, say, prostitutes (a whole class of people) is a hateful phobia?
It couldn't be that they just don't like you? O_o
Quote:Quote:Syne: "Considering the much higher rate of suicide among LGBT, the adoption of all these children by lesbians may have contributed to their deaths."
If you don't consider that statement offensive and hateful, then you are homophobic.
"Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear, and is often related to religious beliefs."---- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia
Facts cannot be hateful. It is a fact that a higher rate of suicide "may have contributed" to a murder/suicide.
The problem seems to be the "range" of attitudes you presume to be inclusive of hate.
