(Oct 2, 2017 11:20 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: [ -> ]Do panentheists believe in the resurrection, heaven and hell, an afterlife, or Satan?
Panentheism is unbiblical since it denies God’s transcendent nature, says that God is changing, confuses creation with God, denies miracles, and denies the incarnation of Christ along with the atoning sacrifice. [1]
Really?! So after I give you two secular sources stating things like "a rich diversity of panentheistic understandings has developed in the past two centuries primarily in Christian traditions", you go running to a Christian source that seems to have a very nonstandard definition of panentheism? Would you accept an argument against climate change that cites solely Christian sources for data?
You still don't seem to understand the difference between pantheism and panentheism. Of the two, only pantheism denies the transcendence of god over the material world.
"In panentheism, God is viewed as the soul of the universe, the universal spirit present everywhere, which at the same time "
transcends" all things created." -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism
And only
process theology (which is far from mainstream Christianity) deems panentheism to imply that god's nature is malleable. Panentheism generally considers god's nature to be unchanging because it is transcendant, and only god's experience within the world as temporal.
Panentheism isn't itself an orthodoxy, so it does not include dogmatic stances on the vast majority of details of any religion. Nor is it incompatible with the Bible. Panentheism and Christianity are not mutually exclusive. Panentheism generally holds that every moment of existence relies on god, so there's simply no need to posit miraculism as a special pleading for divine intervention. And there's no reason it would deny the incarnation of Christ, since it affirms the incarnation of everyone (just as Jesus himself did, e.g. "sons and daughters of God", "ye are gods", etc.).
"Most versions of Christianity are panentheistic. They believe in a God who is present and active in this world, a God who can dwell in each person if they accept the grace of the Holy Spirit. Yet he is also a God who transcends the world, who passes far beyond the material universe and far beyond our comprehension." -
https://www.pantheism.net/paul/history/gospel.htm
"Now, it is not that the issue of immanence is foreign to monotheist religions. Even the Christian Old Testament mentions God’s pervading nature and the relationship of his ‘sustaining’ power to the continuance of our world [Jeremiah 23:24, Job 34:14-15 as examples]. The New Testament has some more explicit examples to further highlight this understanding [Acts 17:27-28, Colossians 1:17]. Despite such examples, we rarely hear discussion about God’s immanence in the Church. In its defence, the transcendent nature of God and all that flows from that, including our ability to individually enter into a personal relationship with such a God, reduces the importance of his immanence for the average Christian.
Importantly though, the two opposing views of God’s being, i.e. immanence and transcendence, are actually aligned within the Christian theology of “panentheism”. Although as stated it is not an issue for the average Christian pulpit, the concept of God as the ‘ground of being’ has received considerable thought from learned twentieth century Christian theologians such as John Macquarrie and Paul Tillich." -
https://about-i-am.net/panentheism.html
Quote:Everything else that you said is so wrong and twisted that I don't even feel need to respond.
Yeah, probably better to curtail the display of your ignorance.
At least read the above quotes and educate yourself a bit.
