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(Jun 30, 2017 08:54 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Remember, you asserted that poverty was a major cause of crime. Unless you're poor and live in a predominately poor white neighborhood, you're no more likely to run into a violent white offender than black...unless you live in a democrat controlled city, which is highly segregated.

huh ?

are you confusing socio-demographics with population size ?

poverty does control how you vote when partys are divided between policys catering to the rich or the poor.
how many super wealthy people in the USA go about championing the Democrat party apart from creatives & artists ?
why is that ?
do they like paying more tax ? (associated premis of personal gain as a motivator)

2 things
ok 3 things
housing which is afforadable to low income workers and close to their jobs so they can afford to actually get to work for the low wages...

where are the jobs ?

where is the schools & hospitals & related community support structures that young familys require ?

put these 3 things together and rural heartland doesnt really factor in to it.
and... that is the efective divide between what is classed democrat city Vs republican farmland.
note the majority of illegal wages are paid by republican farm owners who pay illegal immigrants who do not vote and cant afford health care schooling or housing.

P.S and forthly...
segragation...
from the small amount of material i have read published by the US government and some other organisations, the USA is THE MOST racially segragated country in the western world.
That is not a political choice for free hand-outs.
that is a social cultural issue relating to slavery & access to education & employment equality matched with hhistoric wealth giving access to education & employment networks.
note the USA has the highest number of documented club affiliated racists in it than any other country.
it seems to be a culture & way of life for many americans.

if you wish to level the playing field by suggesting poverty has nothing to d with the issue then you would support the removal of income tax from wage and salary earners and promote sale & profit tax only.
however that is known to not work by the very people who claim poverty is not a root cause of social instability & inequality. why is that ?

(Jun 30, 2017 09:36 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun 30, 2017 08:54 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Remember, you asserted that poverty was a major cause of crime. Unless you're poor and live in a predominately poor white neighborhood, you're no more likely to run into a violent white offender than black...unless you live in a democrat controlled city, which is highly segregated.

huh ?

are you confusing socio-demographics with population size ?

poverty does control how you vote when partys are divided between policys catering to the rich or the poor.
how many super wealthy people in the USA go about championing the Democrat party apart from creatives & artists ?
why is that ?
do they like paying more tax ? (associated premis of personal gain as a motivator)

2 things
ok 3 things
housing which is afforadable to low income workers and close to their jobs so they can afford to actually get to work for the low wages...

where are the jobs ?

where is the schools & hospitals & related community support structures that young familys require ?

put these 3 things together and rural heartland doesnt really factor in to it.
and... that is the efective divide between what is classed democrat city Vs republican farmland.
note the majority of illegal wages are paid by republican farm owners who pay illegal immigrants who do not vote and cant afford health care schooling or housing.

LOL! How many working class people supposedly vote "counter to their own interests" by voting Republican?

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/ec...r-economic
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...32d6d80646

You make a lot of unsupported claims there.

None of which refute the fact that democrat controlled cities are the most racially segregated and have the highest income inequality.

(Jun 30, 2017 09:52 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun 30, 2017 09:36 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun 30, 2017 08:54 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Remember, you asserted that poverty was a major cause of crime. Unless you're poor and live in a predominately poor white neighborhood, you're no more likely to run into a violent white offender than black...unless you live in a democrat controlled city, which is highly segregated.

huh ?

are you confusing socio-demographics with population size ?

poverty does control how you vote when partys are divided between policys catering to the rich or the poor.
how many super wealthy people in the USA go about championing the Democrat party apart from creatives & artists ?
why is that ?
do they like paying more tax ? (associated premis of personal gain as a motivator)

2 things
ok 3 things
housing which is afforadable to low income workers and close to their jobs so they can afford to actually get to work for the low wages...

where are the jobs ?

where is the schools & hospitals & related community support structures that young familys require ?

put these 3 things together and rural heartland doesnt really factor in to it.
and... that is the efective divide between what is classed democrat city Vs republican farmland.
note the majority of illegal wages are paid by republican farm owners who pay illegal immigrants who do not vote and cant afford health care schooling or housing.

LOL! How many working class people supposedly vote "counter to their own interests" by voting Republican?  

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/ec...r-economic
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...32d6d80646

You make a lot of unsupported claims there.

None of which refute the fact that democrat controlled cities are the most racially segregated and have the highest income inequality.

Quote:LOL! How many working class people supposedly vote "counter to their own interests" by voting Republican?  

when did the republican party make 1 single policy law to benefit working class peopel who earn less then 20k per year ?
probably nothing for the last 50 years easily.
soo you need to illistrate that 1st that an actual policy has been put into law that puts more money on the table for that majority group.
good luck.

Quote:None of which refute the fact that democrat controlled cities are the most racially segregated and have the highest income inequality

LoL your playing word games is almost cute.
what your saying and the statistics and facts back it up is...
the majority of US citys vote for and support the Democrat party but because of the jerrymandering Electoral college seats which DT publicly made special note of many times ...
the majority of the population support and vote for the democrats.

http://www.cbsnews.com/media/americas-11...st-cities/

i am confused in what you are attempting to prove here by pretending that the statistics are something different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta...tion,_2016

see the democratic majority of voters went to the democratic party

Popular vote    Republican 62,984,825[3]     Democrat 65,853,516[3]
Percentage          46.1%                                          48.2%

clearly the majority voted for the democrats.
the republican party is a minority government

new york republican city win / aka controlled by republicans ?

pink is white blue is black orange is hispanic green is asian
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...ty_by.html

(Jun 30, 2017 10:28 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun 30, 2017 09:52 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]LOL! How many working class people supposedly vote "counter to their own interests" by voting Republican?  

when did the republican party make 1 single policy law to benefit working class peopel who earn less then 20k per year ?
probably nothing for the last 50 years easily.
soo you need to illistrate that 1st that an actual policy has been put into law that puts more money on the table for that majority group.
good luck.

Socially conservative policies that the family-oriented working class believe in.
Just like your "creatives & artists" vote themselves higher taxes...because they agree with Democrat social policy...counter to their own economic interests.

Quote:

Quote:None of which refute the fact that democrat controlled cities are the most racially segregated and have the highest income inequality

LoL your playing word games is almost cute.
what your saying and the statistics and facts back it up is...
the majority of US citys vote for and support the Democrat party but because of the jerrymandering Electoral college seats which DT publicly made special note of many times ...
the majority of the population support and vote for the democrats.

http://www.cbsnews.com/media/americas-11...st-cities/

Your misunderstanding of simple facts is rather ugly.

The most segregated cities have long been clustered above the Mason-Dixon line and are Democratically run. Some of the most segregated schools in the country educate students in New York, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Milwaukee. Efforts to integrate schools in these cities have met resistance from white progressives. Democrats did as much to usher in the era of mass incarceration as anyone else. And in these cities, with their gaping income inequality, black communities shoulder a terrible burden of gun violence, high unemployment, substandard schools and poverty.
- https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/magaz...truth.html


The Curley Effect typically occurs when Democratic political leaders adopt policies that redistribute wealth from the prosperous to the poor, causing the latter to become economically dependent upon their political patrons, and thus to become a permanently pro-Democrat voting bloc. At the same time, these redistributive policies cause the people harmed by them (i.e., those from whom wealth is extracted) to emigrate to other cities, states, and even countries, thereby further solidifying the political power of Curleyist practitioners.

Curleyists commonly try to gain popular support for their agendas by engaging in incendiary class-warfare rhetoric that demonizes wealthy people as exploiters of the poor. This serves to distract voters from the fact that redistributive left-wing policies may actually be responsible for the declining economic and social conditions around them.

Consequently, the beneficiaries of Curleyist redistributionism invariably become unable to perceive the connection between left-wing policies and their negative consequences. Instead, they view Democrats as the noble, last line of defense that stands between them and total destitution.
- http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewS...sp?id=1891

Lemmings.

Quote:new york republican city win / aka controlled by republicans ?

You only wish it were that simple.

The city government of New York City controls a budget of about $78.3 billion a year, as of 2016. Officials receive municipal funding for their campaigns, and are elected for a maximum of two terms. City government is dominated by the Democratic Party, which also normally attracts majority support within the city in State, Congressional, and Presidential elections.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_New_York_City

Quote:pink is white blue is black orange is hispanic green is asian
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...ty_by.html

Thanks for illustrating my point.

(Jul 1, 2017 03:25 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun 30, 2017 10:28 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote: [ -> ]

(Jun 30, 2017 09:52 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]LOL! How many working class people supposedly vote "counter to their own interests" by voting Republican?  

when did the republican party make 1 single policy law to benefit working class peopel who earn less then 20k per year ?
probably nothing for the last 50 years easily.
soo you need to illistrate that 1st that an actual policy has been put into law that puts more money on the table for that majority group.
good luck.

Socially conservative policies that the family-oriented working class believe in.
Just like your "creatives & artists" vote themselves higher taxes...because they agree with Democrat social policy...counter to their own economic interests.

Quote:

Quote:None of which refute the fact that democrat controlled cities are the most racially segregated and have the highest income inequality

LoL your playing word games is almost cute.
what your saying and the statistics and facts back it up is...
the majority of US citys vote for and support the Democrat party but because of the jerrymandering Electoral college seats which DT publicly made special note of many times ...
the majority of the population support and vote for the democrats.

http://www.cbsnews.com/media/americas-11...st-cities/

Your misunderstanding of simple facts is rather ugly.

The most segregated cities have long been clustered above the Mason-Dixon line and are Democratically run. Some of the most segregated schools in the country educate students in New York, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Milwaukee. Efforts to integrate schools in these cities have met resistance from white progressives. Democrats did as much to usher in the era of mass incarceration as anyone else. And in these cities, with their gaping income inequality, black communities shoulder a terrible burden of gun violence, high unemployment, substandard schools and poverty.
- https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/magaz...truth.html


The Curley Effect typically occurs when Democratic political leaders adopt policies that redistribute wealth from the prosperous to the poor, causing the latter to become economically dependent upon their political patrons, and thus to become a permanently pro-Democrat voting bloc. At the same time, these redistributive policies cause the people harmed by them (i.e., those from whom wealth is extracted) to emigrate to other cities, states, and even countries, thereby further solidifying the political power of Curleyist practitioners.

Curleyists commonly try to gain popular support for their agendas by engaging in incendiary class-warfare rhetoric that demonizes wealthy people as exploiters of the poor. This serves to distract voters from the fact that redistributive left-wing policies may actually be responsible for the declining economic and social conditions around them.

Consequently, the beneficiaries of Curleyist redistributionism invariably become unable to perceive the connection between left-wing policies and their negative consequences. Instead, they view Democrats as the noble, last line of defense that stands between them and total destitution.
- http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewS...sp?id=1891

Lemmings.

Quote:new york republican city win / aka controlled by republicans ?

You only wish it were that simple.

The city government of New York City controls a budget of about $78.3 billion a year, as of 2016. Officials receive municipal funding for their campaigns, and are elected for a maximum of two terms. City government is dominated by the Democratic Party, which also normally attracts majority support within the city in State, Congressional, and Presidential elections.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_New_York_City

Quote:pink is white blue is black orange is hispanic green is asian
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...ty_by.html

Thanks for illustrating my point.

you see the thing is, your talking politics of the bureaucracy while i am talking actual people living in certain areas and how much the person earns.

attempting to divert the subject by re-labelling it income inequality instead of income level is a tired little (your word here) "ugly" game.

waffling on about income inequality instead of talking about poverty is a typical right wing propoganda move.

Income inequality is actually a leftist talking point. Funny that you don't seem to know that. Those on the right know that a free society necessitates income inequality, as not all people will work to succeed at the same level. So it's hypocritical for the left to go on about income inequality, since their cities demonstrate the most. Their cities also segregate by race. And I agree, they do seem to keep certain races in poorer neighborhoods.

All major cities are democratic in demographic. And the cities have been around for over a hundred years. It's dishonest to claim segregation or poverty are caused by "democratic rule".

(Jul 4, 2017 07:03 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]All major cities are democratic in demographic. And the cities have been around for over a hundred years. It's dishonest to claim segregation or poverty are caused by "democratic rule".

"Two-thirds of America's 100 largest cities are controlled by Democratic Party mayors." - http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/11/are-ameri...-home.html

So...I guess democrat populace in the remaining 1/3 of 100 largest cities are voting Republican? That would have to be true if your assertion that "all major cities are democratic in demographic". So Democrats are losing to Republicans...in Democrat strongholds.

"Cities such as San Francisco are in part victims of their own success — a great many people want to live there, so there’s a great deal of demand for real estate. That’s one side of the equation. Policy comes in on the supply side, with political barriers to building keeping the stock of housing artificially limited, which is great for homeowners (who have lots of political clout) but stinks for younger, lower-income people looking to buy or rent (who don’t have very much political clout)."
- http://www.nationalreview.com/article/43...led-cities

So Democrats don't set policy in the cities they control?
You know, the policies that price poor minorities out of richer, racially homogeneous neighborhoods.

You're such a racist loser you can't even see the blatant economic segregation staring you in the face.

Quote:Policy comes in on the supply side, with political barriers to building keeping the stock of housing artificially limited, which is great for homeowners (who have lots of political clout) but stinks for younger, lower-income people looking to buy or rent (who don’t have very much political clout)."

What the fuck does political clout have to do with it? Homes are sold irregardless of political position. It's about being able to pay the price. And what does "younger, lower income people" have to do with segregation? Seems like you're moving the goalposts again.

It's not surprising you can't keep up with pretty basic and standard elements of economics.