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(Yesterday 01:14 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]You cited accounts, which can be delusional, cognitively biased, or prone to error.
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Eyewitness accounts are solid evidence. They're reliably used in trials and arrests and car accidents and news stories all the time.

In contrast to the below, I'd rather hear or read indigenous accounts from over a hundred years ago, or even just before the 1950s. That had less chance of adopting at least a few influences from white pop culture, in the course of a reciprocal back and forth between the two. Tribes certainly didn't call it Bigfoot in the beginning, though Sasquatch was perhaps a native name in Canada. And the stories and descriptions varied in different regions: Folklore and early records

"The first popular depiction of Bigfoot can be traced back to a series of articles published in 1958 by journalist Andrew Genzoli, which highlighted large footprints found by loggers in California. This coverage helped establish Bigfoot as a cultural icon and led to further media interest and folklore surrounding the creature."
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Indigenous peoples know it as the Guardian of the Land
https://youtu.be/ApbXUAAeAWw

VIDEO EXCERPTS: I think it's important for us, as Natives, to tell our stories and to pass them down to our children. And so they respect the land. And they show that there is something out there that we can't always explain, but we show respect for it.

I think that's part of like what I feel Sasquatch is, is he lives out there. It doesn't take and take, he just takes what he needs, and I think that's something that we can all learn by.

[...] It's interesting to see all of these "searching for Bigfoot" films, documentaries, docuseries. Where they're literally out there looking to find Bigfoot. Capture him, kill him. I don't really know what they're expecting to do. They'll never find him. Because Bigfoot is spirit.

Being a Native person, especially from the Northwest, Bigfoot is in all of our stories. Bigfoot is thought about, considered almost weekly in people's lives, almost daily.

Bigfoot has always been a part of our lives since the time that I can remember growing up and hearing stories. All of these stories are passed down through oral histories. Our parents would talk about what they had heard from their grandparents, and their grandparents told them what they had heard from their grandparents.

I never expected that I would be creating a piece for Bigfoot. And so when I'm thinking about this dress, I knew it needed to have shells. I knew it needed to have wood on it. I knew it needed to be a dark, dark color.

I've always liked Bigfoot. I've seen him a couple times. And here we say he, because you really can't see a gender, so we don't know if we're seeing a he or a she...

https://youtu.be/ApbXUAAeAWw

Eyewitness testimony is the account a bystander or victim gives in the courtroom, describing what that person observed that occurred during the specific incident under investigation. Ideally this recollection of events is detailed; however, this is not always the case. This recollection is used as evidence to show what happened from a witness' point of view. Memory recall has been considered a credible source in the past but has recently come under attack as forensics can now support psychologists in their claim that memories and individual perceptions can be unreliable, manipulated, and biased. As a result of this, many countries, and states within the United States, are now attempting to make changes in how eyewitness testimony is presented in court.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony

Excellent film CC! It shows the deeper spiritual nature of Bigfoot and his long-standing presence in indigenous northwest traditions before the modern craze took hold in the 1950s. Skeptical zealots like Syne will scoff and ridicule at the prospective existence of such beings, having been raised on a steady diet of secularist materialism and science documentaries. But the sightings continue unabated, and we learn more every year.

(Yesterday 02:43 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]
Eyewitness testimony is the account a bystander or victim gives in the courtroom, describing what that person observed that occurred during the specific incident under investigation. Ideally this recollection of events is detailed; however, this is not always the case. This recollection is used as evidence to show what happened from a witness' point of view. Memory recall has been considered a credible source in the past but has recently come under attack as forensics can now support psychologists in their claim that memories and individual perceptions can be unreliable, manipulated, and biased. As a result of this, many countries, and states within the United States, are now attempting to make changes in how eyewitness testimony is presented in court.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyewitness_testimony

That's the popularly-repeated online meme at least, itself likely driven by the scientistic attempt to debunk eyewitness accounts of extraordinary phenomena. In fact eyewitness accounts turn out to be reliable all the time, forming the backbone of most all solved crime cases and criminal court convictions. And eyewitnesses of astonishing things have an even clearer and less altered memory of what they saw. This is a matter of solid psychological science:

"Amazing events create better memories because strong emotions (joy, surprise, awe) and unique experiences trigger deeper brain encoding via the amygdala, forming vivid, long-lasting neural patterns, while our brains tag mundane moments to significant ones, making them stick; the peak-end rule also emphasizes intense moments and endings for overall memory, so strategically designed positive peaks and strong emotional connections make events unforgettable."---Google AI

Ah, it's not skeptics posting long threads about UFOs, ghosts, big foot, etc. and zealously defending them.
An Examination of the Causes and Solutions to Eyewitness Error
New Study Shows How Eyewitness Testimonies Go Wrong
Faulty Eyewitness Testimony and its Impacts

I won't go further, because we know you're a science-denier who will ignore it anyway.

Quote:I won't go further, because we know you're a science-denier who will ignore it anyway.

LOL I'm the one citing the actual evidence which IS basic science. You're the one trying to invalidate eyewitness accounts as unreliable in line with your skeptic disbelief system. Who's being scientific again?

Quote:Ah, it's not skeptics posting long threads about UFOs, ghosts, big foot, etc. and zealously defending them.

No..of course they don't defend them. They attack and ridicule them. Refer to long threads and posted articles on dozens of websites such as Metabunk, The Skeptical Inquirer, CSICOP, CFI, Skeptic Magazine, and SRC. AKA: pathological skepticism:

"Pathological skepticism, or pseudoskepticism, describes a biased, often stubborn refusal to accept evidence, even when strong proof is presented, by demanding impossible standards or attacking sources rather than ideas, differing from healthy skepticism which involves reasoned doubt and openness to revision. It's characterized by faith-based disbelief, an "us vs. them" mindset, and using scientific-sounding language to dismiss claims without proper scrutiny, ultimately hindering genuine inquiry and eroding trust, according to Marcello Truzzi's analysis."--Google AI.

I cited science. You haven't (and as predicted, ignored them).
I don't know any skeptical sources, because I don't read any.
You know so many, again, because your zealous defense demands that you do.

If you weren't a zealot, I'm sure you could find forums specifically catering to those who believe in these things. But you choose to post about them to people who, ostensibly, follow science and its methodology. That's called proselytizing.

Quote:I cited science. You haven't (and as predicted, ignored them).

I cited a whole list of evidences and arguments. You have cited nothing. General studies about eyewitnesses of perp line-ups not remembering the faces prove nothing. As I said, the justice system and arrests rely constantly on eyewitnesses. That means they are reliable. And especially so in the cases involving seeing something as amazing as a Bigfoot.

Quote:I don't know any skeptical sources, because I don't read any.

IOW you're an ignorant zealot just like Zin. Just like a racist who knows nothing of the White Supremacists. It's all the same thing.

Quote:You know so many, again, because your zealous defense demands that you do.

I know the arguments because I study the subject, which is why I know it to be real. You study nothing and so remain ignorant.

You're a zealot thru and thru just like Zin, on a mission from God to ensure the demise of all claims of the paranormal or of uaps or of cryptids or of esp. And how do we know? Because you're the only one here since Zin turn tailed playing wackamole with everything I post in the Weird forum, which is specifically meant for posts like this. Every pic of a ghost, every pic of a UAP, and every account of anything that doesn't fit your worldview squished to make your world a safe and predictable place again. Any normal person would never put so much effort into debunking everything unless it threatened to upend their precious personal worldview. But most normal people don't worry about that. They look at the evidence and muse, "Wow, look at that! That's pretty good evidence." And so that's why you are a bonified skeptic zealot Syne. Welcome to the religion of skepticism.

Yet most of your posts on these subjects go completely ignored. I would have ignored this thread too, if you hadn't gotten triggered over me simply laughing. Keep projecting. It's a good look for you. Wink

I don't care if no one responds. There's only like 3 regulars here who ever do. I look at the views, like my "creepy photo bombs" at 2,176 views. The information is eternally out there for all to see. And there's nothing you can do to stop it.

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