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Quote:They also say gambling is a sin, but no one really cares if adults ruin themselves financially... so long as they don't turn to crime as a result. They wish it didn't happen, but no one's losing any sleep over it. Same for gays in the privacy of their own homes.

Nobody really cares about gambling because the Bible says nothing about it. Christians DO care if someone is gay as that is directly forbidden in the Bible and deprives you of eternal life. It's all a ruse for their ingrained homophobia and contempt for LGBT people and has been around for thousands of years.

Quote:No, you're just taking about things others can hold you guilty for.
Are you claiming the feeling of guilt is any less real for the person than someone accusing them of something

Nope..not talking about being accused at all. Talking about actually committing an immoral action, which makes you guilty of that action. Once again, thinking about it doesn't make you guilty of it.

Quote:No, you're just Biblically illiterate.

Nope..the Bible explicitly says it. "Shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven." Can't get any more clear than that.

"Traditional and conservative denominations: Many evangelical Protestant, Orthodox, and some conservative Catholic groups condemn homosexual acts based on biblical passages in Leviticus, Romans, and 1 Corinthians. These groups often view homosexual behavior as a sin and believe that unrepentant sinners, regardless of their specific sins, face eternal condemnation."

(Sep 20, 2025 06:28 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:They also say gambling is a sin, but no one really cares if adults ruin themselves financially... so long as they don't turn to crime as a result. They wish it didn't happen, but no one's losing any sleep over it. Same for gays in the privacy of their own homes.

Nobody really cares about gambling because the Bible says nothing about it. Christians DO care if someone is gay as that is directly forbidden in the Bible and deprives you of eternal life. It's all a ruse for their ingrained homophobia and contempt for LGBT people and has been around for thousands of years.

The Bible does teach against love of money, greed, and poor stewardship of resources... all involved in gambling.
Don't like that example, how about adultery? The Bible does say that is a sin, but Christians aren't losing any sleep over that either.
Since I've repeatedly shown that homosexuality isn't the unforgivable sin (not damning), is seems you're just determined to believe you can't go to heaven.

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Quote:No, you're just taking about things others can hold you guilty for.
Are you claiming the feeling of guilt is any less real for the person than someone accusing them of something

Nope..not talking about being accused at all. Talking about actually committing an immoral action, which makes you guilty of that action. Once again, thinking about it doesn't make you guilty of it.

You've already proven that you're conflating the moral guilt and action. We get it.

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Quote:No, you're just Biblically illiterate.

Nope..the Bible explicitly says it. "Shall not inherit the kingdom of heaven." Can't get any more clear than that.

"Traditional and conservative denominations: Many evangelical Protestant, Orthodox, and some conservative Catholic groups condemn homosexual acts based on biblical passages in Leviticus, Romans, and 1 Corinthians. These groups often view homosexual behavior as a sin and believe that unrepentant sinners, regardless of their specific sins, face eternal condemnation."

Ah, so now you suddenly add "unrepentant." That's because you couldn't actually support your claim that "inherit the kingdom of God/heaven" is the equivalent to "being saved."
Yes, if you have zero regret for your sins, you're not going to heaven. But you can be homosexual and repentant... even if you still sin. Like I've repeatedly said, all Christians still sin.

Quote:The Bible does teach against love of money, greed, and poor stewardship of resources... all involved in gambling.

Most Christians ignore the clear teachings of Jesus against accumulating wealth and living a materialistic life. They basically cherrypick the verses they want to believe, like how prayer will get you anything you want. They have little room to judge gamblers as sinners.

Quote:Don't like that example, how about adultery? The Bible does say that is a sin, but Christians aren't losing any sleep over that either.

That's because they are also ignoring Jesus' definition of adultery as divorcing your spouse for any other reason than cheating. With a 50 % divorce rate, that's a lot of adulterers out there.

Quote:Since I've repeatedly shown that homosexuality isn't the unforgivable sin (not damning), is seems you're just determined to believe you can't go to heaven.

Not as long as I believe it is no sin and continue to live it out in my life. That's how it ends up damning you according to Christians, as a sinful lifestyle one does not repent of nor abstain from.

Quote:Ah, so now you suddenly add "unrepentant."

LOL It's a given that if you are sinning and continuing to sin that you are unrepentant. That's how it bans you from heaven, as the only way of being saved is confessing your sin, repenting of it, and abstaining from it in the future.

(Sep 20, 2025 10:18 PM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The Bible does teach against love of money, greed, and poor stewardship of resources... all involved in gambling.

Most Christians ignore the clear teachings of Jesus against accumulating wealth and living a materialistic life. They basically cherrypick the verses they want to believe, like how prayer will get you anything you want. They have little room to judge gamblers as sinners.

The Bible views the accumulation of wealth ambivalently: it is not inherently sinful but encourages diligent, honest labor and responsible stewardship, rather than the love of money or hoarding wealth for selfish gain. Warnings are given against hasty, dishonest, or greedy pursuits of wealth, as these can lead to ruin and spiritual downfall.
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Yes, it is entirely possible to have material success without being materialistic. The key difference lies in your relationship with money and possessions. Material success is an external outcome, a measure of financial abundance. Materialism is an internal attitude, a value system that prioritizes the acquisition of possessions for happiness, status, or identity.
- Google AI

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The prosperity gospel is a Christian belief that God's will for followers is to have material and physical well-being, offering health and wealth in exchange for faith and positive confession. It suggests that faith acts as a spiritual power, through which believers can speak and claim their desires for financial prosperity and health, often linking giving to ministries to hasten blessings. While popular among some evangelicals, it is heavily criticized by mainstream Christianity for an emphasis on materialism over spiritual growth and for misrepresenting biblical teachings about suffering and Jesus's purpose.
- Google AI

Most Christians believe that God will give them challenges in life, to test their faith.

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Quote:Don't like that example, how about adultery? The Bible does say that is a sin, but Christians aren't losing any sleep over that either.

That's because they are also ignoring Jesus' definition of adultery as divorcing your spouse for any other reason than cheating. With a 50 % divorce rate, that's a lot of adulterers out there.

Like I've repeatedly said, Christians still sin.

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Quote:Since I've repeatedly shown that homosexuality isn't the unforgivable sin (not damning), is seems you're just determined to believe you can't go to heaven.

Not as long as I believe it is no sin and continue to live it out in my life. That's how it ends up damning you according to Christians, as a sinful lifestyle one does not repent of nor abstain from.

At least you've finally realize that it's not the act itself that damns you.

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Quote:Ah, so now you suddenly add "unrepentant."

LOL It's a given that if you are sinning and continuing to sin that you are unrepentant. That's how it bans you from heaven, as the only way of being saved is confessing your sin, repenting of it, and abstaining from it in the future.

No, many Christians have a constant struggle with particular sins. Being repentant doesn't mean that you are perfect and can always resist temptations.
Confessing to God and repenting, yes. Abstaining, no. Being weak doesn't bar you from heaven. Only the unforgivable sin and being unrepentant do that,

Quote:The Bible views the accumulation of wealth ambivalently: it is not inherently sinful but encourages diligent, honest labor and responsible stewardship, rather than the love of money or hoarding wealth for selfish gain.

Like I said, Jesus taught against materialism and the accumulation of wealth. Let's see what AI has to say about this:

"Jesus taught against materialism, the excessive desire for and attachment to worldly possessions, by emphasizing eternal spiritual treasures over fleeting earthly ones, and the impossibility of serving both God and wealth. His teachings, such as the Parable of the Rich Fool and the interaction with the rich young ruler, highlight that true life does not come from abundance but from God, and that a focus on possessions displaces God in one's heart. Ultimately, Jesus calls people to a life of godliness, contentment, and generosity, finding true wealth and joy in a relationship with God and in serving others, rather than in accumulating material things.

Key Teachings Against Materialism

Earthly vs. Heavenly Treasures:
Jesus warns against storing up treasures on earth that are subject to destruction by moths, vermin, and thieves, and instead encourages storing up treasures in heaven, which are eternal and secure.

Life's True Nature:
He states that a person's life does not consist in the abundance of their possessions, but rather true fulfillment is found in God's provision and love.

Serving Two Masters:
Jesus makes it clear that a person cannot serve both God and money, or wealth, as these two masters are in conflict.

The Danger of Covetousness:
He advises guarding against greed and the desire for more, which can lead to a preoccupation with material things that distracts from spiritual priorities.

Examples in Scripture

The Rich Young Ruler:
Jesus asked the rich young ruler to give up his possessions and follow Him, indicating that his attachment to wealth was keeping him from fully embracing God.

The Parable of the Rich Fool:
Jesus told this parable to show how foolish it is to store up earthly wealth for oneself when one's soul can be required at any moment, making those riches ultimately worthless.

The Antidote to Materialism

Godly Satisfaction:
Instead of seeking fulfillment in possessions, true satisfaction comes from resting in God's provision and being rich toward God.

Contentment and Generosity:
Christians are called to be content with what they have and to live a life characterized by generosity rather than accumulation.

Christ-Centered Life:
A personal relationship with Jesus Christ offers the joy, peace, and purpose that no material possession can provide, making him the greatest treasure."

Quote:Like I've repeatedly said, Christians still sin.

They also hatefully judge others just for being who they are, like LGBTs. And Jesus warned them not to do that.

Quote:At least you've finally realize that it's not the act itself that damns you.

"Continuing to live a life of sin" is an act moron.

Quote:No, many Christians have a constant struggle with particular sins. Being repentant doesn't mean that you are perfect and can always resist temptations.
Confessing to God and repenting, yes. Abstaining, no. Being weak doesn't bar you from heaven. Only the unforgivable sin and being unrepentant do that.

Nope..as listed in that verse from Corinthians gay people are definitely not inheriting the kingdom of heaven.. Hence they are damned. And Christians count on this.

(Sep 21, 2025 12:26 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The Bible views the accumulation of wealth ambivalently: it is not inherently sinful but encourages diligent, honest labor and responsible stewardship, rather than the love of money or hoarding wealth for selfish gain.

Like I said, Jesus taught against materialism and the accumulation of wealth. Let's see what AI has to say about this:

"Jesus taught against materialism, the excessive desire for and attachment to worldly possessions, by emphasizing eternal spiritual treasures over fleeting earthly ones, and the impossibility of serving both God and wealth. His teachings, such as the Parable of the Rich Fool and the interaction with the rich young ruler, highlight that true life does not come from abundance but from God, and that a focus on possessions displaces God in one's heart. Ultimately, Jesus calls people to a life of godliness, contentment, and generosity, finding true wealth and joy in a relationship with God and in serving others, rather than in accumulating material things.

I guess you missed the part that said "excessive desire."
Among Christian denominations, there's a pretty even spread around the US mean for wealth.

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Quote:Like I've repeatedly said, Christians still sin.

They also hatefully judge others just for being who they are, like LGBTs. And Jesus warned them not to do that.

Yes, Jesus taught about judging with discernment, emphasizing the importance of examining one's own heart before judging others, and distinguishing between condemning others and discerning their actions based on "fruit" or behavior. In Matthew 7:1-6, Jesus does not prohibit all forms of judgment but warns against hypocritical condemnation.
- Google AI

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Quote:At least you've finally realize that it's not the act itself that damns you.

"Continuing to live a life of sin" is an act moron.

Yes, being unrepentant, not simply having homosexual sex.

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Quote:No, many Christians have a constant struggle with particular sins. Being repentant doesn't mean that you are perfect and can always resist temptations.
Confessing to God and repenting, yes. Abstaining, no. Being weak doesn't bar you from heaven. Only the unforgivable sin and being unrepentant do that.

Nope..as listed in that verse from Corinthians gay people are definitely not inheriting the kingdom of heaven.. Hence they are damned. And Christians count on this.

I've already, repeatedly, shown they are two different things... entry into heaven and rewards in heaven.

Quote:I guess you missed the part that said "excessive desire."
Among Christian denominations, there's a pretty even spread around the US mean for wealth.

Which pretty much describes the modern Christian lifestyle in our capitalistic society. Accumulate possessions in a big house and save up millions of dollars to finance your petty fixation on "things." That's why Jesus told the rich man to go and sell all he had before he could enter the kingdom of heaven. It's also why he said you can't serve God and money. It's a hard lesson to learn, but few are even coming close to what Jesus actually taught.

Quote:Yes, Jesus taught about judging with discernment, emphasizing the importance of examining one's own heart before judging others, and distinguishing between condemning others and discerning their actions based on "fruit" or behavior. In Matthew 7:1-6, Jesus does not prohibit all forms of judgment but warns against hypocritical condemnation.
- Google AI

Nope..nowhere did he say go ahead and judge but be discerning about it. He was quite emphatic: "Judge not, that ye be not judged." No wiggle room at all there. Simply don't judge other people. Don't presume you have any moral authority over other people. It's pretty easy to do once you practice compassion for all people.

Quote:Yes, being unrepentant, not simply having homosexual sex.

Nope...Paul said it clearly. Homosexuals and even male prostitutes would be excluded from the kingdom of heaven.

Quote:I've already, repeatedly, shown they are two different things... entry into heaven and rewards in heaven.

Nope..the Bible makes no such distinction. Not inheriting the kingdom of heaven is exactly what it sounds like---not going to heaven.

"The apostle Paul mentions those not inheriting the kingdom of God in his first letter to the church at Corinth: “Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9–10).

By saying wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God, Paul is stating that the wicked are not children of God; they have no inheritance in heaven. They are not heirs of eternal life (cp. Romans 8:17). The list of sins is not comprehensive, but it covers a lot of ground: fornication, idolatry, adultery, homosexuality, theft, greed, drunkenness, slander, and cheating are indicative of a person who is excluded from the kingdom of God."

(Sep 21, 2025 01:38 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:I guess you missed the part that said "excessive desire."
Among Christian denominations, there's a pretty even spread around the US mean for wealth.

Which pretty much describes the modern Christian lifestyle in our capitalistic society. Accumulate possessions in a big house and save up millions of dollars to finance your petty fixation on "things." That's why Jesus told the rich man to go and sell all he had before he could enter the kingdom of heaven. It's also why he said you can't serve God and money. It's a hard lesson to learn, but few are even coming close to what Jesus actually taught.

Apparently you didn't understand simple English...again. 9_9
An even spread around the mean means that they are evenly distributed above and below the average US income.

There is no single percentage for US Christians above or below the national average income, as income varies significantly by denomination and race. However, some analyses show that Christians as a whole have an income distribution similar to the general US population.
-Google AI

You can actually make a lot of money without serving money, by being a good steward, and that can help you serve God more.

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Quote:Yes, Jesus taught about judging with discernment, emphasizing the importance of examining one's own heart before judging others, and distinguishing between condemning others and discerning their actions based on "fruit" or behavior. In Matthew 7:1-6, Jesus does not prohibit all forms of judgment but warns against hypocritical condemnation.
- Google AI

Nope..nowhere did he say go ahead and judge but be discerning about it. He was quite emphatic: "Judge not, that ye be not judged." No wiggle room at all there. Simply don't judge other people. Don't presume you have any moral authority over other people. It's pretty easy to do once you practice compassion for all people.

I've already shown you where, but as usual, you're stubbornly illiterate.

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Quote:Yes, being unrepentant, not simply having homosexual sex.

Nope...Paul said it clearly. Homosexuals and even male prostitutes would be excluded from the kingdom of heaven.

Quote:I've already, repeatedly, shown they are two different things... entry into heaven and rewards in heaven.

Nope..the Bible makes no such distinction. Not inheriting the kingdom of heaven is exactly what it sounds like---not going to heaven.

"The apostle Paul mentions those not inheriting the kingdom of God in his first letter to the church at Corinth: “Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1 Corinthians 6:9–10).

By saying wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God, Paul is stating that the wicked are not children of God; they have no inheritance in heaven. They are not heirs of eternal life (cp. Romans 8:17). The list of sins is not comprehensive, but it covers a lot of ground: fornication, idolatry, adultery, homosexuality, theft, greed, drunkenness, slander, and cheating are indicative of a person who is excluded from the kingdom of God."

As I've already explained, inheriting the kingdom of God/heaven is the reward for living a life glorifying to God.
In Corinthians, Paul is talking about the example Christians set for the world, and in Romans, he is talking about testifying to the world through how we handle our own suffering.

Again, you fail to provide the source of your citation. Might be this, where you omitted:

Does this mean that anyone who has ever committed one of these sins will be denied entrance to heaven? Praise the Lord, no. God’s forgiveness is available to anyone and everyone who repents and turns to Christ in faith. That’s the glorious hope given in the next verse: “And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God” (1 Corinthians 6:11). The Corinthians used to engage in such sins, but now they know Christ. By grace, they are forgiven, washed in the blood of the Lamb, and declared righteous before God.

Paul’s point in this passage is the need to put away the old nature and live according to the new nature, received in Christ. The sins he lists are part of the old life, not the new. Such sins keep the ungodly out of heaven; believers have been called to righteousness. We should not dabble in the old, destructive ways.
- https://www.gotquestions.org/not-inherit...m-God.html

Again, obvious that unrepentance is the problem, not having committed those sins.

Quote:An even spread around the mean means that they are evenly distributed above and below the average US income.
There is no single percentage for US Christians above or below the national average income, as income varies significantly by denomination and race. However, some analyses show that Christians as a whole have an income distribution similar to the general US population.
-Google AI

Meaning the majority of self-professed Christians are simply hypocrites living just like the unspiritual materialists of the world.

Quote:You can actually make a lot of money without serving money, by being a good steward, and that can help you serve God more.

When you spend all your time making a lot of money and deriving your value from status symbols you are serving money. Which is why he condemned the rich simply for having accumulated worldly wealth. He didn't say that wealth was good because you can donate more. He simply said it is inherently wrong and should not be pursued period. "Do not store up your treasure on earth where moth and rust doth corrupt, but store up your treasure in heaven. For where a man's treasure is, there will his heart be also."

Quote:As I've already explained, inheriting the kingdom of God/heaven is the reward for living a life glorifying to God.

Right..it's going to heaven. Just as not inheriting the kingdom of heaven or being damned is the punishment for living in sin. As your own quote says:

"Paul’s point in this passage is the need to put away the old nature and live according to the new nature, received in Christ. The sins he lists are part of the old life, not the new. Such sins keep the ungodly out of heaven; believers have been called to righteousness. We should not dabble in the old, destructive ways.

(Sep 21, 2025 03:18 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:An even spread around the mean means that they are evenly distributed above and below the average US income.
There is no single percentage for US Christians above or below the national average income, as income varies significantly by denomination and race. However, some analyses show that Christians as a whole have an income distribution similar to the general US population.
-Google AI

Meaning the majority of self-professed Christians are simply hypocrites living just like the unspiritual materialists of the world.

No, as noted earlier, it just means that wealth, itself, is not sinful.

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Quote:You can actually make a lot of money without serving money, by being a good steward, and that can help you serve God more.

When you spend all your time making a lot of money and deriving your value from status symbols you are serving money. Which is why he condemned the rich simply for having accumulated worldly wealth. He didn't say that wealth was good because you can donate more. He simply said it is inherently wrong and should not be pursued period. "Do not store up your treasure on earth where moth and rust doth corrupt, but store up your treasure in heaven. For where a man's treasure is, there will his heart be also."

Sure, because we see Christians driving Lamborghinis all the time. 9_9
Many wealthy people, in general, are creating jobs or products that aid others. Many wealthy people don't do it for the money. They do it because they've found their calling, like Elon Musk, founders of charities, employers, etc.. Some callings take a lot of money.
Abraham, Job, and King David were all wealthy, and all were considered blessed by God and serving his plan.

You're conflating "love of money," selfishness, idolatry, etc. with simply having wealthy. They are not the same.

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Quote:As I've already explained, inheriting the kingdom of God/heaven is the reward for living a life glorifying to God.

Right..it's going to heaven. Just as not inheriting the kingdom of heaven or being damned is the punishment for living in sin. As your own quote says:

"Paul’s point in this passage is the need to put away the old nature and live according to the new nature, received in Christ. The sins he lists are part of the old life, not the new. Such sins keep the ungodly out of heaven; believers have been called to righteousness. We should not dabble in the old, destructive ways.

Your typical illiteracy reading things that simply are not there. 9_9