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Quote:You think a hoax is just going to use some kid off the street?
Ever hear of makeup, dipshit?

Ah yes...grey face paint and white eye contacts. lol This is getting as good as that deer that broke into that house and snuck down to the basement without the owners noticing! So in that final video where we see not that boy but some sort of deformed creature, was that from makeup too?

Quote:Doesn't show that he did, so you have no idea. You're just preaching your blind faith.

He said he did, and unlike you I don't assume he is a lying hoaxer just to keep from believing in ghosts.

Quote:I can move very fast on wooden floors without making any noise at all.

Not by running you can't. Maybe by sliding around in socks. Is that your superpower?

Quote:He makes his living on this stuff. You posted the wiki on him yourself.

We're talking about the guy who took the video, not Zac Bagans. Keep up with the train of thought dumbass.

Yeah, yeah, we all know you're a gullible dipshit who won't believe ANY plausible explanation for anything.
Your straw man about my previous explanation just demonstrates your ideological weakness. Otherwise you could bear to steel man an argument.

Yes, we all know you believe what ever you're told... as long as if affirms your blind faith.

No, I can run quietly on wood floors. Maybe you're too much of a fat clumsy toddler to fathom it.

So you're telling me the "paranormal investigator" in your video didn't make any money from TRVL? He just donated to footage for free?
Or are just using my simple mistake to dodge the obvious financial incentive?

Again, weak ass arguments.

Quote:Maybe you're too much of a fat clumsy toddler to fathom it.

Your weird obsession with toddlers is starting to creep me out. The video remains solid. There is no evidence whatsoever of any hoaxery. And just pulling implausible scenarios out your ass proves nothing. Moving on.

I just can't imagine a grown adult being incapable of moving quickly and silently. Even fairly young children are capable of it... hence mentioning clumsy toddlers.
Only a creepy gay guy would find simply mentioning toddlers to be creepy. The rest of us don't make that sort of connection. You really shouldn't be telling on yourself like that. @_@

The video has huge holes between what the guy claims and what he actually shows. It's your unthinking faith that blinds you to that simple fact.

I think MR is just a case of unyielding faith. However I think MR too smart to not recognize when some of his posts are simply full of it. Pretty much why I think the persona he portrays is phony as hell. Regardless, this is what AI says.

Quote: Potential drawbacks of unyielding faith:
Rigidity and inflexibility:
An unyielding faith can sometimes lead to a refusal to consider new ideas or perspectives, hindering growth and development.
Blindness to error:
Unquestioning faith can make it difficult to recognize and correct mistakes, potentially leading to harmful actions or beliefs.
Potential for conflict:
Differing beliefs can create conflict and division, especially when faith is viewed as absolute truth and not open to interpretation.
Ultimately, the "goodness" of unyielding faith depends on its balance with other virtues:
Open-mindedness:
While faith is important, it's also crucial to be open to new information and perspectives, allowing for growth and learning.
Critical thinking:
Unyielding faith should not prevent individuals from questioning beliefs and engaging in critical analysis.
Compassion and respect:
Faith should be a source of kindness and empathy, not a justification for intolerance or judgment.

It's not faith at all to go by the evidence, which is all I present here. Going by evidence is the essence of science. Denying the evidence because it doesn't suit your own beliefs is the real faith. An almost religious devotion to your own pet worldview. Hence your repeated unprovoked attacks on my character and honesty. It's the only way you can excuse yourself from considering the evidence presented. Which doesn't even make sense since even if I were a phony person the evidence would still stand on it's own.

No, you're faith is required to fill the giant holes in your supposed "evidence." That is clear when you say things like "he even says" (gotta take the priest's word for it) and can't manage to answer simple questions about your claim of there being a solid wall where you obviously can't see.

And it's just sad when you project your true faith on others. My main attack on your character is that you're a complete hypocrite. Criticizing the faith of others while being so offended when people criticize yours. You're a religious nutter of woo.

Quote:That is clear when you say things like "he even says" (gotta take the priest's word for it)

I have zero basis for believing he's lying. And neither do you. It just suits your agenda to believe he is so you can have an excuse for doubting the evidence. If he is telling the truth it blows your whole bullshit theory of a hoax out of the water. And well, we can't have that can we? That would mean you'd have to believe in ghosts. Oh my! lol

Quote:My main attack on your character is that you're a complete hypocrite. Criticizing the faith of others while being so offended when people criticize yours. You're a religious nutter of woo.

Yeah we all know the drill. Start calling me names when you don't have a defensible argument. That's pretty much the MO of all ideological skeptics denying the evidence that is right in front of them. Whine and bitch about the messenger because they just can't handle the message. You and Zin are like two peas in a pod. And just like him every insult you spew at me has no effect whatsoever on the evidence presented. I could be Charles Manson and the evidence would still be just as compelling. And so it remains. There is simply no reason for thinking it is a hoax except that you already don't believe ghosts exist--a basically faith-held position without any empirical basis whatsoever. Nobody can ever rule out the one black swan..

Yes, you're gullible. We get it. You believe complete strangers are honest, just because you've never seen them overtly lie. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
I just compare what a person says to what they do, or this case show. He claims he chased down every "ghost," but doesn't show it. And the only one he did show conveniently has an easy place to hide... that he doesn't check. That makes him suspect. It's like someone who brags about something they have or can do but always has some excuse why they can't show you. There's a disconnect between words and actions. And actions are always the better indicator of honesty. An abuser can tell you they'll never do it again, but their actions tell the truth.

"If he's telling the truth" is unknowable, and that's where your blind faith comes into play. If you evaluate the evidence, without the persuasive commentary, creepy emotionally manipulative musics, etc., it is objectively very weak.

Don't like it? That's exactly why you're a true believer. You are incapable to being skeptical... unless someone manages to rub your nose in an obvious fake (highway light, Chinese lantern, etc.).

Quote:Yes, you're gullible. We get it. You believe complete strangers are honest, just because you've never seen them overtly lie.

That's what we all do everyday. Whenever we talk to someone like a gas station attendant, a store clerk, our dentist, a coffee barista, a passenger on an airplane, a delivery driver, etc we take them at their word because there's simply no reason to think they're lying. That's how society functions. It's called acting in good faith. Only a paranoid freak would think they are lying. Is that what you do? People must really hate your sorry ass.

Quote:I just compare what a person says to what they do, or this case show. He claims he chased down every "ghost," but doesn't show it.

No he didn't. He said he'd "been playing tag with this thing, and every time, every time" and then enters the room to show no one is there. There was no sound of anyone running, and no reason to look behind any walls when he blatantly said he'd done this before. That proves the kid is a ghost. There is no reason to think he's lying. And your claim it is all an elaborate hoax is idiotic. There is no evidence whatsoever for such.

Quote:It's like someone who brags about something they have or can do but always has some excuse why they can't show you.

He's not "bragging" about anything. He simply says he's been chasing this thing, and then proceeds to show exactly what he said he had been doing. Only a paranoid freak would suspect such a clear demonstration of his statement as some sort of deception. And of course that's what you do because your whole stupid hoax claim hinges on him being some devious con artist. That's pretty standard for all ideological skeptics---a character assassination of the eyewitness in order to undermine their claims as lies. Which of course they never give any evidence of at all.'

Quote:"If he's telling the truth" is unknowable, and that's where your blind faith comes into play. If you evaluate the evidence, without the persuasive commentary, creepy emotionally manipulative musics, etc., it is objectively very weak.

Uh no. It is totally compelling because it shows the apparition three times, appearing grey with white eyes unlike any real boy. And then even confirms it is a ghost by showing how it disappears when he chases it. Nothing suggests there is any hoax here or that he is lying. The evidence stands unrefuted.

Quote:Don't like it? That's exactly why you're a true believer. You are incapable to being skeptical.

I AM a believer because I go by the evidence. That's what good evidence does. It convinces you something is real, especially when you've been studying it for around 20 years now like I have. And no, I am not "incapable of being skeptical." I screen out tons of fake-looking and questionable videos in my search for good evidence. It avails me to do this constantly in order to not mislead people and to get to the truth of the matter. That's what real skepticism is. It's not always groundlessly claiming every piece of really compelling video evidence is a hoax just because you don't want to believe in it. That is just outright perverse denialism, along the lines of Holocaust denial, evolution denial, vaccine denial, moon landing denial, and climate change denial.