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Quote:Don’t know how anyone can trust any conclusions made after your very poor analysis of these videos?

I must've posted a hundred compelling videos here. Maybe many more. You think a couple of them I even admitted were fake or mistaken effects that? Not abit. Case in point: the three in this very thread. You remember those don't ya? The ones you couldn't even look at? Yeah... and so THAT's why I know my videos are the real thing. Like I said, it's like pouring Drano into a stopped-up toilet and watching all that shit just fizzle away.

(May 20, 2025 05:05 AM)Magical Realist Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Don’t know how anyone can trust any conclusions made after your very poor analysis of these videos?

I must've posted a hundred compelling videos here. Maybe many more. You think a couple of them I even admitted were fake or mistaken effects that? Not abit. Case in point: the three in this very thread. You remember those don't ya? The ones you couldn't even look at? Yeah... and so THAT's why I know my videos are the real thing. Like I said, it's like pouring Drano into a stopped-up toilet and watching all that shit just fizzle away.

Familiar deflect tactic, avoiding the question(s). Why may be a better question.

I can only assume by your answer that the criteria you use to judge the validity of a paranormal video is simply quantity over quality. IOW, by sheer numbers, your saying the posted videos qualify as compelling evidence of whatever you’re presenting that day. Weak.

I think you’re done, you’ve pretty much scraped the bottom of the barrel for that answer.

It only takes one little video. Once you see a ghost you can never unsee it. The living seed is planted, ready to burst forth at any time.

We've given you plenty of mundane explanations. Pretending we haven't just demonstrates your self-delusion.
Just because you don't personally accept those explanations doesn't magically make them go away... again, excepting delusion.
There is no "science to studying the anomalous." There is only the pseudoscience of the paranormal.
Scientific and legal definitions aren't hair-splitting... unless you're desperately trying to deny them. That literally makes your bullshit anti-science.
The only thing you've proved is that you will delude yourself into believing whatever makes you feel better. We know that because people who actually prove things don't feel the need to repeatedly proclaim it. They let their work speak for itself.

The fact that you have to deny basic definitions of terms means you're either willfully ignorant in order to protect your worldview or actually as illiterate as you seem.
I'm thinking it's a healthy does of both.

Quote:There is no "science to studying the anomalous."

Really? You should tell all the scientists who study anomalous phenomena then. There was a time for instance when scientists rejected the possibility of rocks falling from the sky, even though it was repeatedly witnessed and reported by people all over the world. Just anecdotal evidence right? Then one day, after a rock rainfall with some 3000 eyewitnesses, science finally acknowledged the existence of meteorites. Amazing huh?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-new...180963017/

"Anomalies in science are observations or findings that don't fit the existing scientific understanding or theory. These discrepancies can be crucial for advancing scientific knowledge, often prompting researchers to re-evaluate theories and discover new knowledge. Anomalous phenomena can be investigated using the scientific method, with the goal of finding rational explanations and understanding their nature.

Elaboration:

Definition of Anomaly:
An anomaly is an observation that contradicts established theories or assumptions within a particular field of science. It's a deviation from what is expected based on current understanding.

Importance of Anomalies:
Anomalies are not just deviations; they are often the starting point for scientific breakthroughs. By identifying and investigating anomalies, scientists can push the boundaries of knowledge and develop new theories.

Examples:
In the realm of Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAPs), for instance, observations that cannot be easily explained as natural phenomena or known aircraft become anomalies that warrant investigation. Similarly, in areas like physics, anomalies like LIGO's gravitational wave observations have led to new insights into the universe.

Scientific Investigation:
When anomalies are encountered, scientists typically employ the scientific method to investigate them. This involves observation, data collection, hypothesis formation, testing, and analysis to determine the true nature of the anomaly and develop explanations.

Anomalistics:
The study of anomalies, often in areas where the scientific understanding is limited or unconventional, is sometimes referred to as anomalistics. This field focuses on investigating phenomena that deviate from accepted scientific explanations.

Examples in UAP:
The NASA's Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Independent Study Team is an example of a scientific approach to investigating UAP, aiming to collect data, analyze it, and identify potential explanations for unexplained phenomena."

You'll notice that people who actually use a scientific approach don't get out over their skis with claims that are not supported by hard evidence. They don't claim they know what any anomalous observation is. But nutters like you are constantly demanding that it must be ghosts, bigfoot, and non-terrestrial aircraft. And some of the nutters have gotten scientific degrees and misuse them.

Quote:You'll notice that people who actually use a scientific approach don't get out over their skis with claims that are not supported by hard evidence. They don't claim they know what any anomalous observation is.

Yes..we patiently await the day that we can identify the phenomenon, if at all, be it paranormal, or uap, or cryptozoological, or anomalous atmospherics, or superhuman mental abilities, which is the nature of objective science. You don't start out believing it is such and such, and THEN try to prove it to be such. That's why skeptical debunkery isn't real science. Real science is always when the data alone drives the investigation and the hypothesis-making. And you follow it no matter where it leads you, no matter how extraordinary it turns out to be.

You're a liar. If the "data alone drives the investigation," you wouldn't always be making claims that things definitely are ghosts, bigfoot, non-terrestrial, etc.. But you do it all the time, even in this thread. You occasionally try to pretend that you're the least bit objective, but all your claims betray the truth. You're a pseudo-religious true believer.

You're going to have to do a lot better at hiding your zealotry if you want anyone to believe you're the least bit objective. But we all know you can't. That would take a long-term level of self-control you are just incapable of.

Quote:If the "data alone drives the investigation," you wouldn't always be making claims that things definitely are ghosts, bigfoot, non-terrestrial, etc.. But you do it all the time, even in this thread.

I've already been over this. The reason I conclude that they're paranormal or otherwordly is because I already examined them and chose them because of that. I'm not going to post videos of things that can be explained away. This is the "Weird" section after all, not the "Things that look weird but really aren't" section. You seem to have this dogmatic belief that there are no videos of unexplained phenomena and that they are all really mundane things. But there's no way you could know that, particularly if you never examine what's out there. So yeah..I post the videos that show real unknown phenomena here. That's the whole point of this section. And no, I don't claim to know what uap or ghosts or even Bigfoot are. I just know they are anomalous phenomena, and should be studied purely on that basis. What little I do know about them comes from those studies. That's not religious faith. It's basic science.

Science is the study of natural phenomena. I think one has to consider paranormal natural to study it scientifically. If there’s a good theory or hypothesis on the paranormal then you can look for anomalies in any aspect of the phenomena that doesn’t conform to the science. Once paranormal becomes science the phenomena should not be considered anomalies. A life form is not an anomaly for biology. If it’s just phenomena, it’s not a science.

AI….

Quote:No, a science itself cannot be an anomaly. Anomalies are observations or data points that deviate from expected or established patterns within a scientific field. They are the exceptions that challenge existing theories and often lead to new discoveries. A science, however, is a body of knowledge and a method of inquiry, not a singular observation.

Oregon.gov….

Quote: Phenomena are defined as natural observable events that occur in the universe and that we can use our science knowledge to explain or predict. The goal of building knowledge in science is to develop general ideas, based on evidence, that can explain and predict phenomena.