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According to Prem Thakker
https://x.com/prem_thakker/status/1835447741318905956

"Ryan Routh voted for Trump [in 2016]; donated to Tulsi Gabbard, Andrew Yang, Tom Steyer, Beto O'Rourke, Elizabeth Warren; and then has tweets like this yearning for a Nikki Haley/Vivek Ramaswamy ticket — which is to say it's a bit hard to put him in a convenient little political box."

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Photo copies of X posts (before removed)
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us...-113374678

7/17/24 (Ryan Routh)

@KamalaHarris: "You and Biden should visit the injured people in the hospital from the Trump rally, and attend the funeral of the murdered fireman. Trump will never do anything for them....show the world what compassion and humanity is all about."
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date not discernable (Ryan Routh)

@realDonaldTrump: "While you were my choice in 2016, I and the world hoped that President Trump would be different and better than the candidate, but we all were greatly disappointment. And it seems you are getting worse and devolving. Are you retarded? I will be glad when you are gone."

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According to Gabe Kaminsky
https://x.com/gekaminsky/status/1835452478986375491

"Looks like Ryan Routh has a bit of a rap sheet in North Carolina: including for 'weapon law violations,' according to public records."

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Would-be Trump assassin ID’d as Ryan Routh, 58, of Hawaii
https://nypost.com/2024/09/15/us-news/wo...i-sources/

EXCERPTS: Ryan Wesley Routh, 58, has been identified as the suspect who was arrested after allegedly pointing an AK-47 assault rifle at former President Trump while he golfed, according to law enforcement sources.

Routh frequently touted his do-gooder credentials and championed left-wing causes on social media.

His LinkedIn shows that he attended North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University, but relocated to Hawaii sometime around 2018.

Routh describes on LinkedIn as “mechanically minded” and enjoying “ideas and invention and creative projects with artistic flair.”

[...] Routh is the owner of Camp Box Honolulu, a shed building company with few positive reviews. While Routh hadn’t posted on his X account in a year, he frequently criticized politicians including Trump, current President Joe Biden, and celebrities like Bruno Mars.

Many of his replies are nonsensical, including one directed towards X’s owner Elon Musk, in which he seemed to entertain purchasing a rocket from the billionaire. “I would like to buy a rocket from you. I wish to load it with a warhead for Putin’s Black Sea mansion bunker to end him. Can you give me a price please. It can be old and used as not returning,” Routh wrote.

Routh was a supporter of Vivek Ramaswamy and Nikki Haley, according to one of his posts in which he encouraged the Republican presidential candidates to continue their races. “You cannot quit. Why. You must stay on the ballot to the end. You must fight. You must continue giving speeches and push all the way to election day no matter the election results. Do not give in. Join Nikki and keep working. Never give up,” he wrote.

Routh is also a staunch supporter of Ukraine and Taiwan in their respective conflicts against Russia and China. He claims on X that he tried to “sell” the idea of having former Afghanistan troopers fight for Ukraine in Russia, but was denied multiple times before giving up after six months.

He also visited Kyiv and claimed that he would be willing to fight on the front lines, if he were permitted to.

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https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-su...ch-1954191

EXCERPTS: Chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst John Miller reported Sunday afternoon that Routh's social media accounts have focused on his "self-proclaimed involvement" in the war in Ukraine, including his supposed effort to recruit soldiers to fight in the conflict. Routh also claimed to have fought in Ukraine as it continues to hold off Russia's invasion.

Miller said that Routh has been living in Hawaii and was formerly a construction worker in North Carolina.

[...] Dave Aronberg, state attorney for Palm Beach County, said his prosecutors are working up warrant and pretrial detention applications. Aronberg indicated the suspect will initially be charged at the state level, but could also be charged with federal crimes.

"Our filing of the warrant and charges at the state level does not preclude the federal charges that could be coming," Aronberg said. "But in the meantime, it looks like the warrants and a pretrial detention motion will happen first."

Look at Routh's X posts while you can. Facebook has already deleted his posts over there.

https://x.com/RyanRouth

Update: Not 60 seconds after I wrote that, X suspended Routh's account.

In a nutshell, Routh was trying to organize a volunteer legion to fight Russia in Ukraine. He was begging for help from everyone from the US government to Zelinsky. He claimed to have thousands of US trained Afghans willing to fight for him.

Another of his schemes was for the US government to put the entire US military on leave or something, which supposedly would enable them to legally volunteer to fight in Ukraine.

He stated repeatedly in his posts that he wasn't afraid to die and at various times claimed to be in Ukraine or in Poland trying to sneak across the border into Ukraine. So he might conceivably have had suicidal ideations and was one of those guys who fantasized about going out in a blaze of glory.

And here's a 2023 Indian news story that characterized Routh as a "mercenary". My impression is that "wannabe mercenary" might be more accurate. I think this guy might have a pathologically overactive fantasy life. Unknown whether he had any actual military training or experience.

https://www.newindian.in/us-mercenary-pl...r-ukraine/

On the other hand, he apparently was promising his mercenary army $1,200/mo. pay. Assuming that was more than talk, somebody was funding him. Voices on the internet are speculating about the CIA. He seems to have traveled quite a bit for an unemployed construction worker.

Apparently he voted for Trump in 2016, but started attacking him on social media. Likely after Trump didn't express support for waging a war against Russia. He supposedly tweeted to Vivek and Nikki Haley to stay in the primary, probably in the hope of one beating Trump.

Here are all of Routh's X-posts, archived before X took them down.

https://x.com/BillboardChris/status/1835452723929457000

And here are all of his Facebook posts, archived before FB took them down.

https://x.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1835459877143019582



Routh was a regular contributor to Act Blue, many small donations:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXjn3XdXMAAr...name=large

Yep. "Democracy is on the ballot" is leftist rhetoric. Even though CNN already tried to blame this on Trump's rhetoric (victim-blaming).
That's not to say that anyone's speech is personally responsible for a nutjob, but if they want to play that game, it falls squarely on their own inflaming rhetoric.

(Sep 16, 2024 03:23 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]Yep. "Democracy is on the ballot" is leftist rhetoric. Even though CNN already tried to blame this on Trump's rhetoric (victim-blaming).
That's not to say that anyone's speech is personally responsible for a nutjob, but if they want to play that game, it falls squarely on their own inflaming rhetoric.

The debate could have been a final trigger, but he had months of incendiary headlines before that to get him agitated.

Harris-Trump debate (full transcript)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli...168681007/

[...] FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: If I were president, it would have never started. If I were president, Russia would have never, ever [invaded Ukraine] -- I know Putin very well. He would have never -- and there was no threat of it either, by the way, for four years. Have gone into Ukraine and killed millions of people when you add it up.

[...] KAMALA HARRIS: If Donald Trump were president, Putin would be sitting in Kyiv right now. And understand what that would mean.

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I expect no one will ever explain how Routh had connections with "thousands of NATO-trained Afghan soldiers" willing to be mercenaries in Haiti, Ukraine, Taiwan, etc. Probably delusional fantasy, but given the ludicrous number of times he tried to hawk that, one almost wonders. (No mention of medication below...)
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Son of Ryan Routh speaks out
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...crazy.html

EXCERPTS: The son of Ryan Wesley Routh, the man named as the suspect in a possible assassination attempt near Donald Trump's Florida golf club on Sunday, has said his father is not a violent person and did not even believe him to own a gun.

Wesley's son, Oran Routh, reached by DailyMail.com shortly after Sunday's shooting, said this was the first he'd heard of the alleged assassination attempt.

'This was the first I heard about it,' the 35-year-old exclusively told DailyMail.com. 'Was my father shot or injured?'

He said his father hates Trump as 'every reasonable person does.

‘I don't like Trump either,’ the son added.

But he said his dad is not a violent person and couldn't believe his father would target the president.

[...] 'He's my dad and all he's had is couple traffic tickets, as far as I know,' the son said. 'That's crazy. I know my dad and love my dad, but that's nothing like him.'

The former president was rushed to safety on Sunday after multiple shots were fired in his vicinity while he was playing golf at his club in West Palm Beach.

Routh said his father, who had no military experience, said he had traveled to Ukraine following Russia’s 2022 invasion to help volunteer and provide aid to those affected.

Routh moved to Hawaii a few years back and was living with his longtime girlfriend. He said he didn't know his father was even in Florida.

'He said he was at the beach, but I thought that meant the outer banks in Hawaii,' he said. 'I didn't ask him for more information because we've had a falling out. We've grown apart.'

He wouldn't explain the nature of their 'falling out,' but still spoke highly of his father.

'He's not a violent person,' he said. 'He's a hard worker and a great dad. He's a great dude, a nice guy and has worked his whole f**king life.'

Asked whether his father owned a gun, he replied, 'Not that I know of.

'I've never known him to own a gun or known him to do anything bats*** like this,' the son added.

He said his father works as a general contractor, building small homes in Hawaii, and previously owned a roofing company.

He abruptly ended the call, saying he needed to inquire about what actually happened.

Later in a rambling text, Routh appeared to justify his father's actions.

'I hate this game every four years, and think that we all do, and if my father wants to be a martyr to how broken and disassociated the process has become from the real problems and practical solutions, then that's his choice.

'I'm not saying that's what he's done or what he's about, that's just my own rant being fed up with it all for my entire adult life,' he wrote.

'South Park said it best, every 4 years we're forced to choose between a turd sandwich and a giant douche, and it all stays f****d in the same ways by different degrees, and we're exhausted and embarrassed by it all.'

(Sep 16, 2024 03:38 AM)C C Wrote: [ -> ]I expect no one will ever explain how Routh had connections with "thousands of NATO-trained Afghan soldiers" willing to be mercenaries in Haiti, Ukraine, Taiwan, etc. Probably delusional fantasy, but given the ludicrous number of times he tried to hawk that, one almost wonders.

Lots of people are wondering. Routh appears to have traveled extensively, Hawaii, DC, Poland, Kyiv, Taiwan... He reportedly was offering $1,200/month to the mercenaries that he was trying to recruit. All while he seems to have been unemployed most of the time. There's lots of speculation on the internet tonight that somebody was funding him.

Quote:Son of Ryan Routh speaks out
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...crazy.html

EXCERPTS: He said his father hates Trump as 'every reasonable person does...

'He's my dad and all he's had is couple traffic tickets, as far as I know,' the son said...

Asked whether his father owned a gun, he replied, 'Not that I know of.

'I've never known him to own a gun or known him to do anything bats*** like this,' the son added.

From the Greensboro (NC) News and Record in December 2002:



Routh was convicted of a 'Class F Felony' punishable by up to 5 years in prison, but he received some kind of probation/supervised release and ended up doing no time.

The internet is asking how Routh, a convicted felon, acquired the rifle that he used to try to kill Trump.

It seems the currently the only people wanting to take Trump out, are people with their own personal agendas. Not state operated, not an opposition party, just people annoyed at whatever events have triggered them.

It should be the current "Assassin" isn't that, since they didn't appear to pull of a shot at all. Maybe they would of become one if they had, maybe they had a different agenda entirely, who knows the weapon might have been a prop for something, only that will be worked out by those that interrogate them or hold the evidence.

Killing Trump wouldn't suddenly fix the world, if anything it would just make him a martyr for a bunch of already unhindged people. So I doubt there would be any larger conspiracy to go after him, although their is the concern of copycatting since perhaps people are moving away from school shootings to taking pot shots at Trump.

To be honest though, nobody has to lift a finger, in the long run Trump is on the clock (much like everyone else) due to his age.

Judging from the above, Routh seems to have had either a very good lawyer, or a magic-like ability to avoid incarceration multiple times (or at least anything beyond very temporary detention).

The New York Times published an interview of him on March 25, 2023. Which apparently means he had official "do-gooder" status. Whether altruistic activism also helped in his getting suspended sentences over the preceding years -- who knows.

So GoFundMe is one possibility of where he got the money? She would have had to raise more than just $1,865 for the supposed range of his travels, stays, negotiations, and other activities.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityara...d-suspect/

What Do We Know About Routh’s Support For Ukraine?

According to the New York Times (2023), Routh planned to recruit former Afghan soldiers and use fake passports purchased in Pakistan to help move them to Ukraine. It is unclear if Routh acted on this plan, but a former Afghan soldier cited by the Times said he had been contacted and was open to fighting in Ukraine if it allowed him to leave Iran, a country he was staying in illegally.

Kathleen Shaffer, who reportedly lived with Routh, ran a GoFundMe for Ukraine’s International Volunteer Center in 2022, where she identified him as her “fiancé.” On the fundraiser page, which was taken down Sunday night, Shaffer wrote Routh traveled to Kyiv in April 2022 and planned to stay there for 90 days. Shaffer also mentions Routh arranged for the “delivery of 120 drones to the front lines,” although it is unclear if these were funded by the $1,865 raised by her on GoFundMe.

Crucial Quote

Routh appears to have jointly authored and self-published an e-book on Amazon with Shaffer about “Ukraine's Unwinnable War” and the “Fatal Flaw of Democracy.” In the book, Routh laments Ukraine not getting adequate support from world leaders and even asks “Why has Putin not been assassinated?” The book makes several mentions of Trump and in a section about Iran, Routh writes he must take some blame for electing a president “that ended up being brainless” before adding: “You are free to assassinate Trump as well as me for that error in judgment and the dismantling of the deal.”