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(Sep 16, 2024 01:34 PM)stryder Wrote: [ -> ]It seems the currently the only people wanting to take Trump out, are people with their own personal agendas.  Not state operated, not an opposition party, just people annoyed at whatever events have triggered them.

No, he was definitely a Democrat.

Federal Election Commission (FEC) records indicate that Routh donated exclusively to Democrats from 2019-2020 when he lived in Hawaii.

The small dollar donations, sent through the Democrats’ fundraising platform ActBlue, were earmarked for Democrat presidential candidates Beto O’Rourke, Andrew Yang, Tom Steyer, Tulsi Gabbard, and Elizabeth Warren.
- https://www.dailywire.com/news/alleged-w...nal-record

Quote:Killing Trump wouldn't suddenly fix the world, if anything it would just make him a martyr for a bunch of already unhindged people. 

Fuck you too, moron.

(Sep 16, 2024 11:36 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]No, he was definitely a Democrat.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/...r-sticker/

(Sep 16, 2024 01:34 PM)stryder Wrote: [ -> ]It seems the currently the only people wanting to take Trump out, are people with their own personal agendas.  Not state operated, not an opposition party, just people annoyed at whatever events have triggered them.

Maybe. I'm still getting Lee Harvey Oswald vibes from Ryan Routh. I want to know where his money came from and what kind of contacts he had and with whom. Admittedly he isn't exactly Jason Bourne, but I wouldn't put it past the CIA to use somebody like him for black ops to give them 'plausible deniability'. (We saw with the 2016 Russia hoax that the three-letter spook agencies were willing to do whatever they thought would keep Trump out of office.) I have less than zero confidence in them today and am willing to think the worst.

But yeah, most likely Routh has some kind of psychiatric problem. (Even if he doesn't, that will probably be his defense at trial.) He definitely seems obsessed with Ukraine and apparently chooses the politicians that he supports based on where they stand on Ukraine.

That said, I do blame the democrats for creating the tone that leads to craziness like this. If they choose to constantly denounce Trump as "Hitler" and as a "threat to democracy", doesn't it cross their minds that somebody might actually believe it?? If Trump really is Hitler and really does threaten not only American democracy and liberties, but the rest of the world as well, it becomes entirely reasonable for people to try to kill him. It's predictable, actually.

Quote:Killing Trump wouldn't suddenly fix the world, if anything it would just make him a martyr for a bunch of already unhindged people.

I'm a Trump supporter, but I hope that I'm not totally unhinged (shut up MR)

If Trump were to be assassinated I expect that it would make him a martyr for more than the unhinged. At the least, he would become a sympathetic figure for tens of millions of voters. If Vance were to take over as Republican presidential candidate after a Trump assassination, he would very likely win by a large margin.

But yeah, there would be some who would be looking for violent revenge. Especially if Kamala "won" a disputed election after the opposition candidate was violently eliminated prior to voting, third-world or Putin style. We might see a presidential assassination in that case, civil disobedience on an unprecedented scale or even a broader insurrection.

Quote:That said, I do blame the democrats for creating the tone that leads to craziness like this.

LOL Never fear! Trump figures it all out for us as usual:

“Their rhetoric is causing me to be shot at, when I am the one who is going to save the country and they are the ones that are destroying the country — both from the inside and out,” Trump said in comments to Fox News Digital."

https://apnews.com/article/trump-harris-...fbefd8230a

Both the previous shooter and wannabe shooter were ex-Republicans disenfranchised by Trump. So it implies cases of "Et tu, Brute" (Que sera, Ceasar)

Via his donations, I figured from the start that he was probably an independent, and arguably one of the few that actually votes or contributes like that (some measure of unpredictability). The vast majority of independents lean reliably toward a particular party, in terms of their voting habits.[1]

Contrary to online claims, Trump suspect is registered independent voter
https://www.barrons.com/news/contrary-to...r-200019a6

EXCERPT: In 2012, Routh submitted his current registration as unaffiliated. In a book he self-published in 2023 about the war in Ukraine, Routh maintained he was politically independent. "I get so tired of people asking me if I am a Democrat or Republican as I refuse to be put in a category and I must always answer independent," he wrote.

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[1] Political Independents: Who They Are, What They Think: Independents often are portrayed as political free agents with the potential to alleviate the nation’s rigid partisan divisions. Yet the reality is that most independents are not all that “independent” politically. And the small share of Americans who are truly independent – less than 10% of the public has no partisan leaning – stand out for their low level of interest in politics.

(Sep 17, 2024 06:47 AM)stryder Wrote: [ -> ]Both the previous shooter and wannabe shooter were ex-Republicans disenfranchised by Trump. So it implies cases of "Et tu, Brute" (Que sera, Ceasar)

The first shooter wasn't. And this one had to start supporting Democrats before he became a would-be assassin.

Well, with the election less than two months away, it would be ridiculous for the Harris campaign and its supporting media to start backpedaling anything now. "Onward to the summit, damn the mudslides!"
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Too late to de-radicalize everyone who thinks the country will end if Trump wins
https://nypost.com/2024/09/17/media/cnn-...f-context/

CNN senior political commentator Scott Jennings blamed his own network Monday for allowing former President Donald Trump’s rhetoric to be mischaracterized by the Kamala Harris campaign in a way “designed to radicalize.”

[...] The day after the assassination attempt, CNN host Abby Phillip hosted a panel of commentators debating the relationship between heated rhetoric about the election and the recent attempts on Trump’s life.

“I have to say, when I see what Democratic politicians say about Donald Trump, when I see what Democratic commentators say about Donald Trump, and their platform is built on a bunch of lies, frankly, that are designed to radicalize a political base, it makes me wonder … How much do they really care about the violence that you and I both agree is terrible?” Jennings asked.

He called out the Harris campaign for fearmongering about what the country would look like if Trump becomes president again.

“The underpinning of her campaign, I mean, she repeats it herself, ‘Trump will be a dictator on day one.’ I mean, this country fights dictators. That‘s what our history — we fight dictators,” he said while the panel erupted to protest that it was true.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadow...s-n2644873

[...] "Folks, it's too late. It's too late, in my opinion, because all the rhetoric about Donald Trump over the last several years that he is a threat to democracy that the country will come to an end if he gets elected president again," Jennings continued, as he mentioned how the media blamed Sen. JD Vance (R-OH) for bomb threats in Springfield, Ohio. The governor made clear that such threats were hoaxes. "Well, if you have believed that over the weekend, then how can you not believe that the rhetoric leading up to today is not somehow responsible for the fact that this man has now survived two assassination attempts," Jennings asked.

Video segment on Jennings' X account
https://x.com/ScottJenningsKY/status/183...57268?mx=2

https://youtu.be/Nrv7-2SaNP8

A jury in Fort Pierce Florida just found Ryan Routh guilty on all five charges, the most serious of which was attempted assassination of a major political candidate. Plus use of a firearm in furtherance, felon in possession of a firearm, etc.

There was some drama after the verdict was read, when Ryan Routh tried to stab himself in the neck with a pen and was restrained by four federal marshalls. Reportedly he didn't seriously injure himself, no blood was visible and his skin might not have been broken.

Sentencing will come in December I believe. Expectation is that he will receive life in prison, the maximum penalty.

(Sep 23, 2025 08:19 PM)Yazata Wrote: [ -> ]A jury in Fort Pierce Florida just found Ryan Routh guilty on all five charges, the most serious of which was attempted assassination of a major political candidate. Plus use of a firearm in furtherance, felon in possession of a firearm, etc.

There was some drama after the verdict was read, when Ryan Routh tried to stab himself in the neck with a pen and was restrained by four federal marshalls. Reportedly he didn't seriously injure himself, no blood was visible and his skin might not have been broken.

Sentencing will come in December I believe. Expectation is that he will receive life in prison, the maximum penalty.

Is it murder if someone in prison gives him cutlery at mealtime?

(Sep 23, 2025 09:11 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: [ -> ]Is it murder if someone in prison gives him cutlery at mealtime?

Maybe negligent homicide.