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(Feb 28, 2022 04:15 AM)Kornee Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Leigha/wegs. You are of course correct re my identity back over there. And your alter ego identity I suspected just by your postings style here.
There is possibly an inter-forum networking structure that shares and collectively proscribes email addresses of those banned at one sight. At any rate, I had to sign up to a new email service just to be able to join here. And against my normal policy, decided on a new alias as well, just in case my usual forum one was also a trigger for being denied admission.

You'll find that sci-villagers don't really ban people over points of view, unless they're merely spam and troll-like behavior.

Quote:As regards the origins of my 'antisemitism' (a label wrong in more ways than one), it is a convoluted long story. You may recall my engaging with an extreme philosemite back there, where it turned out we both had experience of a particular Christian Zionist denomination. I learned of what happens when Jews conspire to take over and exploit such a handy milking cow (1st, 2nd, and 3rd tithes - all based on gross not net income - plus frequent 'special offering' appeals). Unfortunately the whole truth of their blackmailing church hierarchy etc. only came out after leaving - via friends who had gained intel when visiting the church HQ.

At first I thought it was an aberration, not typical Jew behavior. Soon enough I was straightened out on that one. No - it was entirely typical behavior, and practiced as a matter of 'sacred duty' on a far grander scale. And for a very long time.
The real shocker came when pointed to a tome that shattered my understanding of the good guys vs bad guys narrative re WW2. But that gets into touching the third rail territory. Enough said.

Bolded for emphasis, by me. Thanks for explaining...but, what is ''typical Jew behavior?''

I'm not interested in arguing with you, just trying to understand. Be careful of books that are designed to create bias and prejudice in their readers, as opposed to educating them with facts. Any book that could 'turn' you like that, sounds dangerous.

Do you know any Jewish people on a personal level?

(Feb 28, 2022 08:41 AM)Kornee Wrote: [ -> ]Go ahead - quote me, in context, as having ever made such an absolutist racist judgement that you clearly imply there. Won't be able to because I never have done so.
Have enough decency, enough honesty, enough humility, to back down and apologize.
And of course you hate me for my particular politically incorrect outlook. Enough of your words, in context, displaying that are easy to dredge up if I wanted to.

Among other things:

(Feb 28, 2022 04:15 AM)Kornee Wrote: [ -> ]At first I thought it was an aberration, not typical Jew behavior. Soon enough I was straightened out on that one. No - it was entirely typical behavior, and practiced as a matter of 'sacred duty' on a far grander scale. And for a very long time.

Saying some group, defined solely by immutable traits, is "typically," "usually," etc. something bad, is bigotry based on said immutable trait. Period. You can try to weasel around it trying to convince yourself you're not entirely despicable, but deep down, you know better. Hence all the protests about what's plainly obvious to everyone else.

(Mar 1, 2022 01:29 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]

(Feb 28, 2022 08:41 AM)Kornee Wrote: [ -> ]Go ahead - quote me, in context, as having ever made such an absolutist racist judgement that you clearly imply there. Won't be able to because I never have done so.
Have enough decency, enough honesty, enough humility, to back down and apologize.
And of course you hate me for my particular politically incorrect outlook. Enough of your words, in context, displaying that are easy to dredge up if I wanted to.

Among other things:

(Feb 28, 2022 04:15 AM)Kornee Wrote: [ -> ]At first I thought it was an aberration, not typical Jew behavior. Soon enough I was straightened out on that one. No - it was entirely typical behavior, and practiced as a matter of 'sacred duty' on a far grander scale. And for a very long time.

Saying some group, defined solely by immutable traits, is "typically," "usually," etc. something bad, is bigotry based on said immutable trait. Period. You can try to weasel around it trying to convince yourself you're not entirely despicable, but deep down, you know better. Hence all the protests about what's plainly obvious to everyone else.

Just maybe you really think that quote has 'nailed me'. No. It becomes cumbersome and irritating all round to have to add a cautionary to every mention of Jewry with 'this doesn't imply ALL Jews are like that' etc. You should be able to understand that. Point to where I have ever branded Jews as inherently evil by nature. You can't. What you quoted very much characterizes Jews who weasel there way into positions of power and influence. Like what happened in that Christian Zionist church I unfortunately got sucked into when young. Loosely, members of Organized Jewry aka World Jewry, and individuals who practice the unsavory aspects of Judaism. And without a doubt, a large but unknown fraction of rank and file Jews harbor hostile attitudes towards their non Jew hosts/neighbors. What Kevin McDonald refers to as 'a hostile elite'. But that was inculcated via indoctrination from infant age on - not some inimical genetic compulsion.

Can't find the post for now but another member characterized Russians/Slavs as in effect just worthless creatures by nature.
Yet not a single chiding for such a racist slur from any other members here - including YOU!

The simple fact that you repeatedly have zero qualms with using known antisemitic terms, like Jewry, says it all. That you lump so many under that umbrella term that you'd even have to qualify it every time to be clear you're supposedly "not racist," would make any non-bigot rethink their views. When you talk about having doubts who were and were not the good guys in WWII, you have to know who that leaves you siding with. And you're so far gone, that doesn't even seem to register as a qualm. Jews don't "weasel their way into positions of power and influence;" they earn it, like everyone else. But see, bigots always have different standards for their preferred targets.

You should really seek therapy, to try to get over youthful traumas a healthy way...instead of leaving them to fester into this hateful crap you regularly spew. Seriously, no one who harps on something this much is well-adjusted. "Large but know faction" is your excuse to look at all Jews with your conspiratorial suspicions. They're all guilty until proven they agree with you about the evils of other Jews. That's bigotry, plain and simple.

Do try to find that post about Russians/Slavs. I missed it, but would react similarly. But I have a feeling you're imagination is now just working overtime to justify your own hatred and bigotry. That's also just whataboutism. Someone else's bigotry does not excuse yours.

(Mar 1, 2022 05:14 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]The simple fact that you repeatedly have zero qualms with using known antisemitic terms, like Jewry, says it all. That you lump so many under that umbrella term that you'd even have to qualify it every time to be clear you're supposedly "not racist," would make any non-bigot rethink their views. When you talk about having doubts who were and were not the good guys in WWII, you have to know who that leaves you siding with. And you're so far gone, that doesn't even seem to register as a qualm. Jews don't "weasel their way into positions of power and influence;" they earn it, like everyone else. But see, bigots always have different standards for their preferred targets.

You should really seek therapy, to try to get over youthful traumas a healthy way...instead of leaving them to fester into this hateful crap you regularly spew. Seriously, no one who harps on something this much is well-adjusted. "Large but know faction" is your excuse to look at all Jews with your conspiratorial suspicions. They're all guilty until proven they agree with you about the evils of other Jews. That's bigotry, plain and simple.

Do try to find that post about Russians/Slavs. I missed it, but would react similarly. But I have a feeling you're imagination is now just working overtime to justify your own hatred and bigotry. That's also just whataboutism. Someone else's bigotry does not excuse yours.

OK hypocrite - you are unwilling to back down and admit making a false accusation. Best thing is to avoid each other henceforth. Do try.

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(Feb 28, 2022 03:44 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:You'll find that sci-villagers don't really ban people over points of view, unless they're merely spam and troll-like behavior.

Yeah the fact I'm still here bears that much out.

Quote:...At first I thought it was an aberration, not typical Jew behavior. ....

Bolded for emphasis, by me. Thanks for explaining...but, what is ''typical Jew behavior?''

I'm not interested in arguing with you, just trying to understand. Be careful of books that are designed to create bias and prejudice in their readers, as opposed to educating them with facts. Any book that could 'turn' you like that, sounds dangerous. 

Do you know any Jewish people on a personal level?

Yes i have known a few. One in particular I got on with very well indeed. Mind you - she was a Christian convert but very proud of her Jewish roots.
The whole matter of which books/articles/movies/documentaries etc. present unvarnished truth is obviously contested. The ones demonizing 'antisemites' have trillions of dollars backing that pov, and total control of MSM including all popular social media platforms. No wonder anything contra to that all pervading general narrative is dismissed as 'hate speech' etc. What wins a propaganda war is control of virtually al outlets, and endless repetition of the official line.
Non-stop reinforcement works it's magic. It's the key to ideological control - thought control - of a populace.
Well that's my 'rant' for today. Have a nice one.

PS - Whether or not Verhoven may have intentionally meant the following to be a subtle dig at those controlling thought in the 'Freedom Loving West', I like it as an apt portrayal of the actual, real-world power of indoctrination 'done right'. i.e. creating an automatic, subconsciously controlled, negative reflex reaction to anything contrary to the Official Narrative:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr3t1uZNbKo
One may describe it as '1984 upgraded'.

Some interesting points, Alexander II was assassinated in 1881 in Russia. The bombing was blamed on Jews, the Jews were then targeted by attacks and forced out of Russia (Taking up residences in locations such as Germany). The bombing itself likely wasn't Jewish at all but it didn't matter, it fulfilled the narrative.

After the first world war Gemany had a serious debt problem which was likely managed by the Jewish community which Hitler took offence too, which started his persecution of Jews.

In essence if Russia hadn't blamed Jews for Alexander II's death, There might not of been a holocaust.

(Mar 1, 2022 02:06 PM)stryder Wrote: [ -> ]Some interesting points,  Alexander II was assassinated in 1881 in Russia.  The bombing was blamed on Jews, the Jews were then targeted by attacks and forced out of Russia (Taking up residences in locations such as Germany).  The bombing itself likely wasn't Jewish at all but it didn't matter, it fulfilled the narrative.

After the first world war Gemany had a serious debt problem which was likely managed by the Jewish community which Hitler took offence too, which started his persecution of Jews. 

In essence if Russia hadn't blamed Jews for Alexander II's death, There might not of been a holocaust.

Ah yes - what if scenarios. The below historic, obviously dated in certain peripheral respects 1961 address at the Washington DC Willard Hotel, by a Jew who had high level intimate involvement in the post WWI Treaty of Versailles, has been removed from YouTube (surprise surprise!), but is still available elsewhere:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/0DkBfFh6TIYk/
A loong unedited version if one really has the time and patience:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/7NGoUMTDKziU/
One thing that cannot be leveled at Benjamin Freedman - that he was an uninformed 'antisemite'!

(Mar 1, 2022 05:53 AM)Kornee Wrote: [ -> ]Yes i have known a few. One in particular I got on with very well indeed. Mind you - she was a Christian convert but very proud of her Jewish roots.
The whole matter of which books/articles/movies/documentaries etc. present unvarnished truth is obviously contested. The ones demonizing 'antisemites' have trillions of dollars backing that pov, and total control of MSM including all popular social media platforms. No wonder anything contra to that all pervading general narrative is dismissed as 'hate speech' etc. What wins a propaganda war is control of virtually al outlets, and endless repetition of the official line.
Non-stop reinforcement works it's magic. It's the key to ideological control - thought control - of a populace.
Well that's my 'rant' for today. Have a nice one.

Okay... so, with what you're suggesting here as it relates to Jewish people ''controlling'' the media - is it safe to assume that your opinion is if Jewish people didn't control the media, then there wouldn't be any (leftist/negative/fill in the blank) ideologies floating out there ...controlling the masses?

I ask because it seems like you're perhaps conflating your disdain of the leftist media with Jewish people, as a whole. You see Jewish people as controlling the social and political narratives, and chalk it all up to ''typical Jew behavior.'' You can dislike what comes out of the MSM, without attaching those opinions/feelings to one group of people.

Something to note - throughout history, especially after WWI, and definitely throughout the time of WWII, Jews stood alone as non-Jewish people persecuted them. They stood alone _ no one came to their defense. Over time and as that history fades into the background, that may appear like they've chosen to isolate themselves, standing alone against ''everyone else.'' But, that is reframing history (imo) to suit one's own biases and ill conceived notions. At least to me, it is. In truth, they (collectively) were pushed into social/political/economic isolation many times over throughout the course of history, they didn't choose it for themselves.

I think you'll find if you read more objective historical accounts of Jews as a whole, you'll see that many of your feelings are coming from authors of blogs/books who have/had a bone to pick with Jewish people - whether that be due to religion, geography, politics, etc. -

You don't see your comments as anti-Semitic, but if you examine why you feel as you do, you may see that your ideas have been given to you by people who want you to hate Jews.

Just my $.02, fwiw. Hope you'll consider it, Kornee - I could say so much more, but I'll just leave it here.

Something to read when you have time ...

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/e...orld-war-i

(Mar 1, 2022 09:05 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]

(Mar 1, 2022 05:53 AM)Kornee Wrote: [ -> ]Yes i have known a few. One in particular I got on with very well indeed. Mind you - she was a Christian convert but very proud of her Jewish roots.
The whole matter of which books/articles/movies/documentaries etc. present unvarnished truth is obviously contested. The ones demonizing 'antisemites' have trillions of dollars backing that pov, and total control of MSM including all popular social media platforms. No wonder anything contra to that all pervading general narrative is dismissed as 'hate speech' etc. What wins a propaganda war is control of virtually al outlets, and endless repetition of the official line.
Non-stop reinforcement works it's magic. It's the key to ideological control - thought control - of a populace.
Well that's my 'rant' for today. Have a nice one.

Okay... so, with what you're suggesting here as it relates to Jewish people ''controlling'' the media - is it safe to assume that your opinion is if Jewish people didn't control the media, then there wouldn't be any (leftist/negative/fill in the blank) ideologies floating out there ...controlling the masses?

I ask because it seems like you're perhaps conflating your disdain of the leftist media with Jewish people, as a whole. You see Jewish people as controlling the social and political narratives, and chalk it all up to ''typical Jew behavior.'' You can dislike what comes out of the MSM, without attaching those opinions/feelings to one group of people.

Something to note - throughout history, especially after WWI, and definitely throughout the time of WWII, Jews stood alone as non-Jewish people persecuted them. They stood alone _ no one came to their defense. Over time and as that history fades into the background, that may appear like they've chosen to isolate themselves, standing alone against ''everyone else.'' But, that is reframing history (imo) to suit one's own biases and ill conceived notions. At least to me, it is. In truth, they (collectively) were pushed into social/political/economic isolation many times over throughout the course of history, they didn't choose it for themselves.

I think you'll find if you read more objective historical accounts of Jews as a whole, you'll see that many of your feelings are coming from authors of blogs/books who have/had a bone to pick with Jewish people - whether that be due to religion, geography, politics, etc. -

You don't see your comments as anti-Semitic, but if you examine why you feel as you do, you may see that your ideas have been given to you by people who want you to hate Jews.

Just my $.02, fwiw. Hope you'll consider it, Kornee - I could say so much more, but I'll just leave it here.

Something to read when you have time ...

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/e...orld-war-i

I can understand your pov because it once was mine. And that you are doing your best to 'steer me in the right direction'. All well and good. The topic in general is a minefield and emotional not rational responses are the norm. It's impossible to convey to you my perspective, which has taken a long time to crystalize. Gained bit by bit after having to sift through a labyrinthine maze of claims and counterclaims, of history and pseudo-history narratives.

Best if I try and steer clear of it from now on. Especially given the chances of anyone fundamentally shifting position are, from prior experience, remote. Cheers Leigha.