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(Feb 27, 2022 07:59 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]
Quote:Look in the mirror, as you were the first to assume my education. I don't love Israel, nor the majority of secular Jews (who are leftists). I only recognize that Israel is the only democratic country in the Middle East, making them the only natural ally in the region.
Try and get over that 'know it all' attitude and actually STUDY contrary evidence. Here is one of many water-tight cures for the absurdity of Israel being the 'natural ally' of US:
https://wikispooks.com/w/index.php?title...ael_did_it
[Oh Shit - Big Jewry has finally DNS blackholed that site!]
Still possible to access a skeleton outilne of their devastating expose of Israel's provably PRIMARY role in masterminding and implementing 9-11:
https://groups.google.com/g/uk-911-truth..._RzX5NQuMJ
[ok - many link there, PARADOXICALLY still accessible on mega-deplatforming Google, leads to the current DNS sinkholing]
One likely front instrument championing/instigating such DNS sinkholing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for...gital_Hate
Ah yes, but who exactly gets to decide what qualifies as 'hate'? Follow the money! Which numerically tiny ethnic minority has enormously disproportionate wealth and consequent political power?

If you continue true to form, pillory without ever actually studying that material contra to your evidently ingrained mindset, will be the expected reflex response.
Going back considerably further in time, when Israeli/Jewish lobby control of US politics was (relatively!) much less all-powerful than now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOH1XMAwZA
My guess is you, like virtually everyone else here, will reflexively avoid. Coz ya just know it just has to be 'rabid-antisemitic propaganda'. In which case, Yuri Bezmenov's interview linked to earlier is entirely relevant. But, irony of ironies, once brainwashed, mere overwhelmingly contrary evidence has no impact. Hence, Bezmenov's warnings will, as foretold, fall on deaf ears. Sigh.

Quote:I will also call you a bigot if you denigrate any other entire group defined by an immutable trait, be it race, ethnicity, or anything else. You seem to have tunnel vision on Jews, which is natural for a bigot.
Wrong, mind-screwed dupe. You create a defamatory straw man, then triumphantly knock it over. Worthless. I actually have the highest regard for the unfortunately numerically tiny and perennially politically ineffectual contingent of independently-minded Jews. Who have, against all the odds of almost universal anti-goy indoctrination from birth, broken the psychological shackles. And seen clearly the real situation. Fearlessly proclaiming their revulsion for World Jewry's ultra-Tribal-Supremacist agenda.
A few examples: Gilad Atzmon, Ron Unz, Alan Sabrosky. And many more. Some, with both first-hand experience of 'unique historical events' and uncompromising commitment to truth, are considered 'beyond the pale'. No point for now to name those imo exceptional heroes of uncompromising conscience.
Inevitably characterized by the ultra-wealthy shapers of 'freedom-loving Western democracies', as 'self-hating Jews'. Ha - while simultaneously engendering self-hatred in their goy enemies.

Quote:I'm not a Christian. I'm a syncretic panentheist.
Probably a new admission here. OK I suppose. Except, then....

Quote:But I do respect orthodox Jews for their devotion to the strictures of their faith.
Really? Then, logically, you are wholeheartedly in favor of:
1: Yahweh decreed genocide. e.g. https://www.evilbible.com/ then the sub-category:
https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-hom...the-bible/
And that is far from an exhaustive list of 'holy and just precepts and commandments' decreed upon Yahwey's ' peculiar nation - a holy and special nation chosen ABOVE all other peoples'.
Racial (well in Judaism's case logically it has to default to tribal) supremacism predating evil evil evil 'Nartzeism' (phonetic pronunciation) by millennia, and surviving not only intact but hugely strengthened way past the mere 12 years of that anti-Zionism racial supremacist regime's brief existence.

We could extend to e.g. your logically wholehearted support of, from most moral individuals rational pov, the most outrageous aspects of slavery:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWi...xodus_21:4
And, in complete conformity to the Yahweh condoned slavery precepts, it is a carefully concealed FACT Jews were foremost facilitators of and above all profiteers of the black slave trade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SsGfZubKA

Quote:The Jewish lobby has nothing to do with the faith.
You are incredibly naive or disingenuous on that issue:
https://militarist-monitor.org/profile/
https://forward.com/news/311662/leader-o...bds-group/
And so on and so on....

In summary - Yuri Bezmenov well characterizes the actual cognitive dissonance of the mind-screwed left.
And, by logical extension, their pro-Israel Zionist right-wing so-called 'protagonists'. Both 'wings' belonging to the one 'bird'.

Quote:So like so many leftists, you've only projected your own "profiling" failure. And you still managed to avoid justifying why you morally equate the US and Russia.
Missed where I wrote 'two wrongs don't make a right'? Both East and West have from the outset been created and largely controlled by World Jewry. Different factional strategies, but a single final aim.

Thats a lot of Q-ade (Koolade) in one post, I will have to converse with the local velociraptor about the pyjama party. Rolleyes

(Feb 27, 2022 01:01 PM)stryder Wrote: [ -> ]Thats a lot of Q-ade (Koolade) in one post, I will have to converse with the local velociraptor about the pyjama party.

So I'm somehow mystically linked to the 'reverend' Jim Jones of 70s Jonestown mass suicide? Gawd! Had no idea! Tip - rational evaluation of my evidently already labelled 'crazy stuff' post #11 is probably easier if one is a non-spinning entity.
Admittedly, that may just be prejudice from the pov of a non-spinning entity. Undecided

I thought that was you, Q. (this is wegs)

I recently noticed you were perma-banned from sci-forums, and it seems to be over anti-Semitic comments you've made there. I recall reading a few snippets in the 9/11 conspiracy thread, but feel like one does when walking in on the last 15 minutes of a play; the ending never makes sense but you know there's a robust backstory ...somewhere.

So, I'd like to know what motivates these views that you have of Jews - is it personal or political? Is it stemming from a disdain towards religion? I'm just genuinely curious if you could share in a few sentences, what it is you believe, and why.

Probably not easy to put into so few words, one's entire world-view, and I'm not really asking for that. But, we can start somewhere...

When someone tells you who they really are, believe them.

(Feb 27, 2022 12:38 PM)Kornee Wrote: [ -> ]Try and get over that 'know it all' attitude and actually STUDY contrary evidence. Here is one of many water-tight cures for the absurdity of Israel being the 'natural ally' of US:
https://wikispooks.com/w/index.php?title...ael_did_it
[Oh Shit - Big Jewry has finally DNS blackholed that site!]

Works here..even Googling "Israel_did_it." Maybe your country or ISP has flagged you for suspicious behavior. Someone trying to keep you from radicalizing further. Maybe even family slipping parental controls on your computer.
Again, you're just the run-of-the-mill conspiracy theorist, except with an obvious hatred and ax to grind.

Quote:One likely front instrument championing/instigating such DNS sinkholing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for...gital_Hate
Ah yes, but who exactly gets to decide what qualifies as 'hate'? Follow the money! Which numerically tiny ethnic minority has enormously disproportionate wealth and consequent political power?

Ah, more blatant antisemitic tropes. But since I can readily access your first link, through a Google search at that, you're obviously making a lot of conspiratorial hay out of your own country/ISP censorship. Maybe you should talk to them, instead of blaming some cabal.

Quote:If you continue true to form, pillory without ever actually studying that material contra to your evidently ingrained mindset, will be the expected reflex response.
Going back considerably further in time, when Israeli/Jewish lobby control of US politics was (relatively!) much less all-powerful than now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOH1XMAwZA
My guess is you, like virtually everyone else here, will reflexively avoid. Coz ya just know it just has to be 'rabid-antisemitic propaganda'. In which case, Yuri Bezmenov's interview linked to earlier is entirely relevant. But, irony of ironies, once brainwashed, mere overwhelmingly contrary evidence has no impact. Hence, Bezmenov's warnings will, as foretold, fall on deaf ears. Sigh.

I've seen anti-Semites before. You're nothing new, and nothing worth wasting time on, as hateful ideologues can never be convinced otherwise. Repeatedly sighting someone I agree with only demonstrates that you miss the whole point about propaganda...as you've obviously fallen prey to some of the oldest propaganda there is.

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Quote:I will also call you a bigot if you denigrate any other entire group defined by an immutable trait, be it race, ethnicity, or anything else. You seem to have tunnel vision on Jews, which is natural for a bigot.
Wrong, mind-screwed dupe.

Again, can't take all your whining about ad hominems seriously when you so readily use them yourself. Are you that oblivious to your own bias or just an unabashed hypocrite?

Quote:You create a defamatory straw man, then triumphantly knock it over. Worthless. I actually have the highest regard for the unfortunately numerically tiny and perennially politically ineffectual contingent of independently-minded Jews. Who have, against all the odds of almost universal anti-goy indoctrination from birth, broken the psychological shackles. And seen clearly the real situation. Fearlessly proclaiming their revulsion for World Jewry's ultra-Tribal-Supremacist agenda.

So the anti-Israel/BSD Jews who agree with your bigotry. No surprise there.

Quote:
Quote:I'm not a Christian. I'm a syncretic panentheist.
Probably a new admission here. OK I suppose. Except, then....

Quote:But I do respect orthodox Jews for their devotion to the strictures of their faith.
Really? Then, logically, you are wholeheartedly in favor of:
1: Yahweh decreed genocide. e.g. https://www.evilbible.com/ then the sub-category:
https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-hom...the-bible/
And that is far from an exhaustive list of 'holy and just precepts and commandments' decreed upon Yahwey's ' peculiar nation - a holy and special nation chosen ABOVE all other peoples'.
Racial (well in Judaism's case logically it has to default to tribal) supremacism predating evil evil evil 'Nartzeism' (phonetic pronunciation) by millennia, and surviving not only intact but hugely strengthened way past the mere 12 years of that anti-Zionism racial supremacist regime's brief existence.

We could extend to e.g. your logically wholehearted support of, from most moral individuals rational pov, the most outrageous aspects of slavery:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWi...xodus_21:4
And, in complete conformity to the Yahweh condoned slavery precepts, it is a carefully concealed FACT Jews were foremost facilitators of and above all profiteers of the black slave trade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SsGfZubKA

New admission here? Sounds like you've been lurking. As far as I know, it's not new.
Who says you have to believe exactly as someone else does to respect them. I respect Manchin and Maher for standing up to their own party, but definitely don't agree with the vast majority of their politics. Well, maybe that's how respect works for a evil bigot like you. News flash, respect and agreement are two different things. Look them up; they actually have different definitions.
And if you're citing evilbible.com, that goes a long way toward explaining your hatred of Jews, especially religious ones.

Quote:
Quote:The Jewish lobby has nothing to do with the faith.
You are incredibly naive or disingenuous on that issue:
https://militarist-monitor.org/profile/
https://forward.com/news/311662/leader-o...bds-group/
And so on and so on....

And? Why wouldn't belief in a Jewish state align with being against boycotts of said state?
And since when is a campus group a "lobby?" A political lobby is, by definition, not religious...which makes "Jewish lobby" a misnomer for Israel lobby, which promotes the agenda of the largely secular state of Israel, rather than any religious or ethnic agenda.
Again, using such terms just pegs you as an entrenched anti-Semite. You whine about that term while repeatedly and overtly verifying its accuracy.

Quote:In summary - Yuri Bezmenov well characterizes the actual cognitive dissonance of the mind-screwed left.
And, by logical extension, their pro-Israel Zionist right-wing so-called 'protagonists'. Both 'wings' belonging to the one 'bird'.

You must not be American. If you were, you'd know that the US left and pro-Israel have nothing to do with one another. Again, conspiracies unconnected to the reality.

Quote:
Quote:So like so many leftists, you've only projected your own "profiling" failure. And you still managed to avoid justifying why you morally equate the US and Russia.
Missed where I wrote 'two wrongs don't make a right'? Both East and West have from the outset been created and largely controlled by World Jewry. Different factional strategies, but a single final aim.

More antisemitic conspiracies, where you imaging one group is the root of all the world's ills.

And please, learn how to use quotes.

(Feb 27, 2022 09:43 PM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]When someone tells you who they really are, believe them.

(Feb 27, 2022 12:38 PM)Kornee Wrote: [ -> ]Try and get over that 'know it all' attitude and actually STUDY contrary evidence. Here is one of many water-tight cures for the absurdity of Israel being the 'natural ally' of US:
https://wikispooks.com/w/index.php?title...ael_did_it
[Oh Shit - Big Jewry has finally DNS blackholed that site!]
Works here..even Googling "Israel_did_it." Maybe your country or ISP has flagged you for suspicious behavior. Someone trying to keep you from radicalizing further. Maybe even family slipping parental controls on your computer.
Again, you're just the run-of-the-mill conspiracy theorist, except with an obvious hatred and ax to grind.

Quote:One likely front instrument championing/instigating such DNS sinkholing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for...gital_Hate
Ah yes, but who exactly gets to decide what qualifies as 'hate'? Follow the money! Which numerically tiny ethnic minority has enormously disproportionate wealth and consequent political power?
Ah, more blatant antisemitic tropes. But since I can readily access your first link, through a Google search at that, you're obviously making a lot of conspiratorial hay out of your own country/ISP censorship. Maybe you should talk to them, instead of blaming some cabal.

Quote:If you continue true to form, pillory without ever actually studying that material contra to your evidently ingrained mindset, will be the expected reflex response.
Going back considerably further in time, when Israeli/Jewish lobby control of US politics was (relatively!) much less all-powerful than now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjOH1XMAwZA
My guess is you, like virtually everyone else here, will reflexively avoid. Coz ya just know it just has to be 'rabid-antisemitic propaganda'. In which case, Yuri Bezmenov's interview linked to earlier is entirely relevant. But, irony of ironies, once brainwashed, mere overwhelmingly contrary evidence has no impact. Hence, Bezmenov's warnings will, as foretold, fall on deaf ears. Sigh.
I've seen anti-Semites before. You're nothing new, and nothing worth wasting time on, as hateful ideologues can never be convinced otherwise. Repeatedly sighting someone I agree with only demonstrates that you miss the whole point about propaganda...as you've obviously fallen prey to some of the oldest propaganda there is.

Quote:
Quote:I will also call you a bigot if you denigrate any other entire group defined by an immutable trait, be it race, ethnicity, or anything else. You seem to have tunnel vision on Jews, which is natural for a bigot.
Wrong, mind-screwed dupe.
Again, can't take all your whining about ad hominems seriously when you so readily use them yourself. Are you that oblivious to your own bias or just an unabashed hypocrite?

Quote:You create a defamatory straw man, then triumphantly knock it over. Worthless. I actually have the highest regard for the unfortunately numerically tiny and perennially politically ineffectual contingent of independently-minded Jews. Who have, against all the odds of almost universal anti-goy indoctrination from birth, broken the psychological shackles. And seen clearly the real situation. Fearlessly proclaiming their revulsion for World Jewry's ultra-Tribal-Supremacist agenda.
So the anti-Israel/BSD Jews who agree with your bigotry. No surprise there.

Quote:
Quote:I'm not a Christian. I'm a syncretic panentheist.
Probably a new admission here. OK I suppose. Except, then....

Quote:But I do respect orthodox Jews for their devotion to the strictures of their faith.
Really? Then, logically, you are wholeheartedly in favor of:
1: Yahweh decreed genocide. e.g. https://www.evilbible.com/ then the sub-category:
https://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-hom...the-bible/
And that is far from an exhaustive list of 'holy and just precepts and commandments' decreed upon Yahwey's ' peculiar nation - a holy and special nation chosen ABOVE all other peoples'.
Racial (well in Judaism's case logically it has to default to tribal) supremacism predating evil evil evil 'Nartzeism' (phonetic pronunciation) by millennia, and surviving not only intact but hugely strengthened way past the mere 12 years of that anti-Zionism racial supremacist regime's brief existence.

We could extend to e.g. your logically wholehearted support of, from most moral individuals rational pov, the most outrageous aspects of slavery:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWi...xodus_21:4
And, in complete conformity to the Yahweh condoned slavery precepts, it is a carefully concealed FACT Jews were foremost facilitators of and above all profiteers of the black slave trade:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5SsGfZubKA
New admission here? Sounds like you've been lurking. As far as I know, it's not new.
Who says you have to believe exactly as someone else does to respect them. I respect Manchin and Maher for standing up to their own party, but definitely don't agree with the vast majority of their politics. Well, maybe that's how respect works for a evil bigot like you. News flash, respect and agreement are two different things. Look them up; they actually have different definitions.
And if you're citing evilbible.com, that goes a long way toward explaining your hatred of Jews, especially religious ones.

Quote:
Quote:The Jewish lobby has nothing to do with the faith.
You are incredibly naive or disingenuous on that issue:
https://militarist-monitor.org/profile/
https://forward.com/news/311662/leader-o...bds-group/
And so on and so on....
And? Why wouldn't belief in a Jewish state align with being against boycotts of said state?
And since when is a campus group a "lobby?" A political lobby is, by definition, not religious...which makes "Jewish lobby" a misnomer for Israel lobby, which promotes the agenda of the largely secular state of Israel, rather than any religious or ethnic agenda.
Again, using such terms just pegs you as an entrenched anti-Semite. You whine about that term while repeatedly and overtly verifying its accuracy.

Quote:In summary - Yuri Bezmenov well characterizes the actual cognitive dissonance of the mind-screwed left.
And, by logical extension, their pro-Israel Zionist right-wing so-called 'protagonists'. Both 'wings' belonging to the one 'bird'.
You must not be American. If you were, you'd know that the US left and pro-Israel have nothing to do with one another. Again, conspiracies unconnected to the reality.

Quote:
Quote:So like so many leftists, you've only projected your own "profiling" failure. And you still managed to avoid justifying why you morally equate the US and Russia.
Missed where I wrote 'two wrongs don't make a right'? Both East and West have from the outset been created and largely controlled by World Jewry. Different factional strategies, but a single final aim.
More antisemitic conspiracies, where you imaging one group is the root of all the world's ills.

And please, learn how to use quotes.

Nicely demonstrating the futility of engaging with a hypocrite who 'argues' only via slurs at best. Never objectively dealing with content. Shove off. The sole benefit of your last post was to alert me to some funny business going on with using a particular VPN - Wikispooks being unavailable for me had nothing to do with 'my country's restrictions'.

(Feb 27, 2022 08:34 PM)Leigha Wrote: [ -> ]I thought that was you, Q. (this is wegs)

I recently noticed you were perma-banned from sci-forums, and it seems to be over anti-Semitic comments you've made there. I recall reading a few snippets in the 9/11 conspiracy thread, but feel like one does when walking in on the last 15 minutes of a play; the ending never makes sense but you know there's a robust backstory ...somewhere.

So, I'd like to know what motivates these views that you have of Jews - is it personal or political? Is it stemming from a disdain towards religion? I'm just genuinely curious if you could share in a few sentences, what it is you believe, and why.

Probably not easy to put into so few words, one's entire world-view, and I'm not really asking for that. But, we can start somewhere...

Hi Leigha/wegs. You are of course correct re my identity back over there. And your alter ego identity I suspected just by your postings style here.
There is possibly an inter-forum networking structure that shares and collectively proscribes email addresses of those banned at one sight. At any rate, I had to sign up to a new email service just to be able to join here. And against my normal policy, decided on a new alias as well, just in case my usual forum one was also a trigger for being denied admission.

As regards the origins of my 'antisemitism' (a label wrong in more ways than one), it is a convoluted long story. You may recall my engaging with an extreme philosemite back there, where it turned out we both had experience of a particular Christian Zionist denomination. I learned of what happens when Jews conspire to take over and exploit such a handy milking cow (1st, 2nd, and 3rd tithes - all based on gross not net income - plus frequent 'special offering' appeals). Unfortunately the whole truth of their blackmailing church hierarchy etc. only came out after leaving - via friends who had gained intel when visiting the church HQ.

At first I thought it was an aberration, not typical Jew behavior. Soon enough I was straightened out on that one. No - it was entirely typical behavior, and practiced as a matter of 'sacred duty' on a far grander scale. And for a very long time.
The real shocker came when pointed to a tome that shattered my understanding of the good guys vs bad guys narrative re WW2. But that gets into touching the third rail territory. Enough said.

(Feb 28, 2022 04:15 AM)Kornee Wrote: [ -> ]The real shocker came when pointed to a tome that shattered my understanding of the good guys vs bad guys narrative re WW2. But that gets into touching the third rail territory. Enough said.

So this piece of shit is a literal Holocaust apologist. Only proves that every invective was well and truly placed.

(Feb 28, 2022 04:24 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]
(Feb 28, 2022 04:15 AM)Kornee Wrote: [ -> ]The real shocker came when pointed to a tome that shattered my understanding of the good guys vs bad guys narrative re WW2. But that gets into touching the third rail territory. Enough said.

So this piece of shit is a literal Holocaust apologist. Only proves that every invective was well and truly placed.

So quick off the mark with an instant assumption and equally instant pejorative laden judgement. I must pay an online visit to 'the church of syncretic panentheism'. Try and find out how it encourages adherents to be such hypocritical bigoted 'anti-bigots'. Engendering such extreme hatred of 'haters'. Such extreme intolerance of 'the intolerant'.
But then again, one shouldn't blame a belief system just because one adherent is the very embodiment of nastiness.

There is no such thing as a church of panentheism or syncretism, as neither is an organized religion. And whereas you've been a hypocrite whining about ad hominems while freely using them yourself, I haven't been hypocritical at all.

I don't hate you, as that would require more energy or thought than I can be bothered to spare for you. I just find your views completely despicable. Neither have I claimed to be completely devoid of bigotry. I just don't hold any bigotries against people for immutable traits, like race, ethnicity, etc.. Notice how I haven't once said you should be kicked off this forum, silenced, or censored in any way. IMO, you're freely telling everyone exactly what kind of person you are. I'm more than happy for you to keep doing just that.

(Feb 28, 2022 05:34 AM)Syne Wrote: [ -> ]There is no such thing as a church of panentheism or syncretism, as neither is an organized religion. And whereas you've been a hypocrite whining about ad hominems while freely using them yourself, I haven't been hypocritical at all.

I don't hate you, as that would require more energy or thought than I can be bothered to spare for you. I just find your views completely despicable. Neither have I claimed to be completely devoid of bigotry. I just don't hold any bigotries against people for immutable traits, like race, ethnicity, etc.. Notice how I haven't once said you should be kicked off this forum, silenced, or censored in any way. IMO, you're freely telling everyone exactly what kind of person you are. I'm more than happy for you to keep doing just that.

Go ahead - quote me, in context, as having ever made such an absolutist racist judgement that you clearly imply there. Won't be able to because I never have done so.
Have enough decency, enough honesty, enough humility, to back down and apologize.
And of course you hate me for my particular politically incorrect outlook. Enough of your words, in context, displaying that are easy to dredge up if I wanted to.

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