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Is it better to fail or to never try?

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Leigha Offline
(Dec 29, 2016 06:05 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:
(Dec 28, 2016 03:26 AM)Leigha Wrote: There are many people who are pretty cautious in life, never impulsively jumping into projects, new adventures, relationships etc, and maybe the reason for that is fear of failure. Fear of loss? Fear, nonetheless. So, they often prevent themselves from trying something new, getting out of their proverbial comfort zones, and opportunities pass by. But, failure can teach us things about ourselves, and help us to improve and progress. At the same time, failure stings and doesn't feel like a very beneficial experience whilst it's happening. I think there is something instinctive about choosing to avoid pain. Avoiding taking risks because you fear pain and loss, will also prevent you from enjoying the positives that might come from taking risks.

We could say that it's better to never try drugs though, than to try drugs and crash your car because you're high (''failing'') So, in some instances, not trying something at all is better than failing. However, crashing your car while you're high, if you survive, could teach you valuable lessons about life, because you nearly lost  your own.

But, that's just the way I see things, what are your views on this? Do you find that it's better to fail or to never try?

Obviousely you are elluding to an emotional risk rather than a financial risk or physical risk.
Do you include psychological risk ?(PTSD Depression. anxiety. emotional truama etc?)

could you please define a frame of refference ?

You define the frame of reference...whatever you perceive risk to be, how would you define a risky situation? I mention in my opening post that it could be having to do with impulsively jumping into projects, adventures or relationships, etc...But, it can really be defined as any type of risk...financial, or otherwise.
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Zinjanthropos Offline
(Dec 29, 2016 04:20 PM)Leigha Wrote: You define the frame of reference...whatever you perceive risk to be, how would you define a risky situation? I mention in my opening post that it could be having to do with impulsively jumping into projects, adventures or relationships, etc...But, it can really be defined as any type of risk...financial, or otherwise.

 Go with your first impulse is a phrase I've heard many times. Remember those multiple choice questions on exams and that other common phrase, when in doubt pick C .  Not sure of their validity but like a busted clock that's right twice a day, there may be something do it.
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(Dec 29, 2016 04:20 PM)Leigha Wrote:
(Dec 29, 2016 06:05 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:
(Dec 28, 2016 03:26 AM)Leigha Wrote: There are many people who are pretty cautious in life, never impulsively jumping into projects, new adventures, relationships etc, and maybe the reason for that is fear of failure. Fear of loss? Fear, nonetheless. So, they often prevent themselves from trying something new, getting out of their proverbial comfort zones, and opportunities pass by. But, failure can teach us things about ourselves, and help us to improve and progress. At the same time, failure stings and doesn't feel like a very beneficial experience whilst it's happening. I think there is something instinctive about choosing to avoid pain. Avoiding taking risks because you fear pain and loss, will also prevent you from enjoying the positives that might come from taking risks.

We could say that it's better to never try drugs though, than to try drugs and crash your car because you're high (''failing'') So, in some instances, not trying something at all is better than failing. However, crashing your car while you're high, if you survive, could teach you valuable lessons about life, because you nearly lost  your own.

But, that's just the way I see things, what are your views on this? Do you find that it's better to fail or to never try?

Obviousely you are elluding to an emotional risk rather than a financial risk or physical risk.
Do you include psychological risk ?(PTSD Depression. anxiety. emotional truama etc?)

could you please define a frame of refference ?

You define the frame of reference...whatever you perceive risk to be, how would you define a risky situation? I mention in my opening post that it could be having to do with impulsively jumping into projects, adventures or relationships, etc...But, it can really be defined as any type of risk...financial, or otherwise.

Thanks for your response.
Do you define Fear as the motivating force ?

(Dec 29, 2016 04:37 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:
(Dec 29, 2016 04:20 PM)Leigha Wrote: You define the frame of reference...whatever you perceive risk to be, how would you define a risky situation? I mention in my opening post that it could be having to do with impulsively jumping into projects, adventures or relationships, etc...But, it can really be defined as any type of risk...financial, or otherwise.

 Go with your first impulse is a phrase I've heard many times. Remember those multiple choice questions on exams and that other common phrase, when in doubt pick C .  Not sure of their validity but like a busted clock that's right twice a day, there may be something do it.

Statistics of Multi choice answer tests.
the statistical variance defines the desired path to adhereto. thus basic bias by the test writer and the statistical probability around the number of potential wrong answers Vs % of the right answer defines the actual result.
choosing C is a 25% chance of being right with 4 answers, 20% if 5 answers and there is a bias toward not having the right answer be A or B or the last option D
thus variant correlative statistical probability places C as an imperative default.
hope that clears it up for you
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Leigha Offline
(Dec 31, 2016 08:23 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:
(Dec 29, 2016 04:20 PM)Leigha Wrote:
(Dec 29, 2016 06:05 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:
(Dec 28, 2016 03:26 AM)Leigha Wrote: There are many people who are pretty cautious in life, never impulsively jumping into projects, new adventures, relationships etc, and maybe the reason for that is fear of failure. Fear of loss? Fear, nonetheless. So, they often prevent themselves from trying something new, getting out of their proverbial comfort zones, and opportunities pass by. But, failure can teach us things about ourselves, and help us to improve and progress. At the same time, failure stings and doesn't feel like a very beneficial experience whilst it's happening. I think there is something instinctive about choosing to avoid pain. Avoiding taking risks because you fear pain and loss, will also prevent you from enjoying the positives that might come from taking risks.

We could say that it's better to never try drugs though, than to try drugs and crash your car because you're high (''failing'') So, in some instances, not trying something at all is better than failing. However, crashing your car while you're high, if you survive, could teach you valuable lessons about life, because you nearly lost  your own.

But, that's just the way I see things, what are your views on this? Do you find that it's better to fail or to never try?

Obviousely you are elluding to an emotional risk rather than a financial risk or physical risk.
Do you include psychological risk ?(PTSD Depression. anxiety. emotional truama etc?)

could you please define a frame of refference ?

You define the frame of reference...whatever you perceive risk to be, how would you define a risky situation? I mention in my opening post that it could be having to do with impulsively jumping into projects, adventures or relationships, etc...But, it can really be defined as any type of risk...financial, or otherwise.

Thanks for your response.
Do you define Fear as the motivating force ?

(Dec 29, 2016 04:37 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:
(Dec 29, 2016 04:20 PM)Leigha Wrote: You define the frame of reference...whatever you perceive risk to be, how would you define a risky situation? I mention in my opening post that it could be having to do with impulsively jumping into projects, adventures or relationships, etc...But, it can really be defined as any type of risk...financial, or otherwise.

 Go with your first impulse is a phrase I've heard many times. Remember those multiple choice questions on exams and that other common phrase, when in doubt pick C .  Not sure of their validity but like a busted clock that's right twice a day, there may be something do it.

Statistics of Multi choice answer tests.
the statistical variance defines the desired path to adhereto. thus basic bias by the test writer and the statistical probability around the number of potential wrong answers Vs % of the right answer defines the actual result.
choosing C is a 25% chance of being right with 4 answers, 20% if 5 answers and there is a bias toward not having the right answer be A or B or the last option D
thus variant correlative statistical probability places C as an imperative default.
hope that clears it up for you
When it comes to choosing not to try at all, whatever the ''risk'' involves, that usually comes down to fear most of the time.
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RainbowUnicorn Offline
(Jan 3, 2017 01:35 AM)Leigha Wrote:
(Dec 31, 2016 08:23 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:
(Dec 29, 2016 04:20 PM)Leigha Wrote:
(Dec 29, 2016 06:05 AM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:
(Dec 28, 2016 03:26 AM)Leigha Wrote: There are many people who are pretty cautious in life, never impulsively jumping into projects, new adventures, relationships etc, and maybe the reason for that is fear of failure. Fear of loss? Fear, nonetheless. So, they often prevent themselves from trying something new, getting out of their proverbial comfort zones, and opportunities pass by. But, failure can teach us things about ourselves, and help us to improve and progress. At the same time, failure stings and doesn't feel like a very beneficial experience whilst it's happening. I think there is something instinctive about choosing to avoid pain. Avoiding taking risks because you fear pain and loss, will also prevent you from enjoying the positives that might come from taking risks.

We could say that it's better to never try drugs though, than to try drugs and crash your car because you're high (''failing'') So, in some instances, not trying something at all is better than failing. However, crashing your car while you're high, if you survive, could teach you valuable lessons about life, because you nearly lost  your own.

But, that's just the way I see things, what are your views on this? Do you find that it's better to fail or to never try?

Obviousely you are elluding to an emotional risk rather than a financial risk or physical risk.
Do you include psychological risk ?(PTSD Depression. anxiety. emotional truama etc?)

could you please define a frame of refference ?

You define the frame of reference...whatever you perceive risk to be, how would you define a risky situation? I mention in my opening post that it could be having to do with impulsively jumping into projects, adventures or relationships, etc...But, it can really be defined as any type of risk...financial, or otherwise.

Thanks for your response.
Do you define Fear as the motivating force ?

(Dec 29, 2016 04:37 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:
(Dec 29, 2016 04:20 PM)Leigha Wrote: You define the frame of reference...whatever you perceive risk to be, how would you define a risky situation? I mention in my opening post that it could be having to do with impulsively jumping into projects, adventures or relationships, etc...But, it can really be defined as any type of risk...financial, or otherwise.

 Go with your first impulse is a phrase I've heard many times. Remember those multiple choice questions on exams and that other common phrase, when in doubt pick C .  Not sure of their validity but like a busted clock that's right twice a day, there may be something do it.

Statistics of Multi choice answer tests.
the statistical variance defines the desired path to adhereto. thus basic bias by the test writer and the statistical probability around the number of potential wrong answers Vs % of the right answer defines the actual result.
choosing C is a 25% chance of being right with 4 answers, 20% if 5 answers and there is a bias toward not having the right answer be A or B or the last option D
thus variant correlative statistical probability places C as an imperative default.
hope that clears it up for you
When it comes to choosing not to try at all, whatever the ''risk'' involves, that usually comes down to fear most of the time.

ok thanks for the clarification.
i wanted to ask you about the difference between the fail value of motivation via fear for a couple of different examples.

Fear of choosing something you may not like very much on a menu.
Fear of choosing a partner who will domestically abuse you and kill you.
Fear of hieghts
Fear of the dark

Fear of liking driving dangerously on public roads

do you think there is intrinsic differences that would validate or invalidate the idea of never trying something to be benificial ?
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Zinjanthropos Offline
(Dec 31, 2016 08:23 PM)RainbowUnicorn Wrote:
(Dec 29, 2016 04:37 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote:  Go with your first impulse is a phrase I've heard many times. Remember those multiple choice questions on exams and that other common phrase, when in doubt pick C .  Not sure of their validity but like a busted clock that's right twice a day, there may be something do it.

Statistics of Multi choice answer tests.
the statistical variance defines the desired path to adhereto. thus basic bias by the test writer and the statistical probability around the number of potential wrong answers Vs % of the right answer defines the actual result.
choosing C is a 25% chance of being right with 4 answers, 20% if 5 answers and there is a bias toward not having the right answer be A or B or the last option D
thus variant correlative statistical probability places C as an imperative default.
hope that clears it up for you

Usually on a multi choice quiz there are 1 or 2 answers that most people would recognize as having a high probability of being wrong. Therefore you've narrowed the field to 1 or 2 less choices. This might be where first impulse comes in. However if you count wrong answer recognition as an impulse then I'm thinking choosing the most likely correct answer (when unsure) would actually be your 2nd or 3rd impulse. Do you think it more natural to recognize an obvious error first, rather than a potentially correct choice?
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