Close encounter of the 5th kind in Monterrey Mexico

[stryder]

So...no microchip, and I assume no intention of a brain scan to rule out tumors/lesions. A Faraday cage helmet could not only disrupt a signal but potentially disrupt tracking (or a Faraday cage could be built in a rental truck and driven out of range). But then a negative outcome would leave you with nothing else but to face the delusion...so that's probably out too. No indication that standard diagnosis or treatment was even attempted. Internal monologue is indistinguishable from your own, other than perhaps by content (which is what John Nash said).

Requires technology and even AI not in existence, and you're a cyborg. Science fiction incorporated into delusion is not new or surprising. If you really want off, you'd take the minimal steps to rule out possible causes (or at least temporary relief)...but delusions are actually self-preserving, with their own kind of survival instinct.

So what happened in your life about 18 years ago? Did someone die or leave you? Any injury?

Internal monologue is indistinguishable from own?  Hardly.  Originally I didn't have an internal monologue (or dreams).  The human brain works on the basis of parallel processing, an internal monologue is a very linear method of processing.  In fact it's only processed when we listen to someone else for the most part, otherwise the human mind is suppose to be completely quiet.  Some will of course suggest that reading creates a monologue, however this isn't always the case and it's why some people read aloud.

As to AI not existing?  It most certainly does, just don't get me wrong about the type of AI.  I'm not suggesting something that is self-aware and thinks for itself, it's more of a symbiant/augmentation and as I've mentioned it's not developed to aid me in the slightest (Otherwise they could of snuck a calculator in there and I'd reel off Pi to 2,000+ places all without actually remembering it like certain posed record holders.)

The problem clearly is that no matter what I say, nobody is going to believe without evidence, however nobody is actively jumping at actually identifying how to collect it.

As for 18+ years.  Well it's like this, that's when I started noticing it, It could of been running in far advance of that, perhaps as far back as 1990/91.  It's just the potential things that I remember from that period that could identify it was in operation I can be conclusive about, however I know it was in use in 97/98 from retrospect of 99.

[stryder]

Hmm…well, this is going to make it a tad bit harder for me to trust you because it makes you unpredictable.  Predictability and trust go hand in hand.  

Syne is right, though.  I’m sorry, Stryder. It has to be extremely stressful. I can't even imagine how it must feel. It may have impaired your ability to work, and have a family, but you still have contact with us.    

Is the dialogue persecutory or supportive? What’s the worst aspect of hearing it? If you’re capable of having discussions with them then that should give you a little more control over them, right?  

The system is quite capable of projecting audible communication, I do query as to whether Artificial Intelligence has been used to some point to supplement my own internal monologue so they have something to base conversations of or from.  the problem with this however is it leaves such a monologue to be manipulated by them, and at times I have caught it out trying to say things that don't fit with how I think or feel. 

It isn’t a supplement.  It is your internal monologue.  What can we do to help?

Talking to us about it won’t make it stop.  You’d need medication for that, but it may help you deal with the stress that it causes.  Why don’t you start a thread in the respected member’s area?  You can title it "Janken".

The Dialogue can be both.  One of the main concerns I have is how the system which I didn't agree to being used has them relying upon something similar to Stockholm Syndrome where they'd expect me to be friendly and supportive of them.  To know what strategy they are using pretty much means that I feel I should actually fight it.  While I don't want to make enemies of people normally, when they are using me in such a way I have no choice.

The worst aspect is a little awkward since their operation has evolved over the years I've been on here.  Initially it came across like fraternity pranking, adolescent behaviour doing stupid things which they would of found amusing initially.  That why I am aware of people concluding aliens, demons, ghosts or other fictional outputs as the people doing the pranking initially laugh at the mischief they've made.

I've tried to state to them many times over about changes to their operation, however at the end of the day their operation didn't include me or the correct procedures to begin with, so it's like slapping a band-aid on a festering wound.

As mentioned previously the internal monologue is artificial.  As for drugs, they would be completely pointless, such chemicals will not fix a problem like this, if anything I would just be suffering two fold, one for them one for the drugs.  So drugs are not and never will be an option.

Your probably right that I should discuss this in it's own thread (since it's getting a little off-topic from the original) however the point was that when people think they are being motivated by Aliens, Ghosts, Demon's or other assorted oddities, it is more likely to be just some cruel twisted prank or abuse by a clandestine group that wants to use such delusions to their advantage.

[Syne]

Internal monologue is indistinguishable from own?  Hardly. 

Yet you said, "...at times I have caught it out trying to say things that don't fit with how I think or feel." So does this mean most the thoughts are similar to your own?

So what happened in your life about 18 years ago? Did someone die or leave you? Any injury?

As for 18+ years.  Well it's like this, that's when I started noticing it, It could of been running in far advance of that, perhaps as far back as 1990/91.  It's just the potential things that I remember from that period that could identify it was in operation I can be conclusive about, however I know it was in use in 97/98 from retrospect of 99.

You didn't answer the question. Aside from you noticing this started, what else happened in your life over the prior year or so? Any major, emotionally painful, or physically injurious events?

[Carol]

Telepathy = all in your head, literally.

I don't think so.  I hope I don't get into trouble for this, but our hearts synchronize with people we trust and with our dog's heart.  How and why?  Given one heart synchronizes with another, is it for sure our brains can not?  I have mixed feelings about this.  We like our privacy don't like the idea other brains interfering with our brain.  And it sure is hard to listen to or read something that causes our heads and bodies to scream -oh my god this is junk!  But I keep remembering all the nonsense of thinking the earth is not the center of the universe and little things we can't even see make us sick.  We have the book of God and know better, right?

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Your probably right that I should discuss this in it's own thread (since it's getting a little off-topic from the original) however the point was that when people think they are being motivated by Aliens, Ghosts, Demon's or other assorted oddities, it is more likely to be just some cruel twisted prank or abuse by a clandestine group that wants to use such delusions to their advantage.

If this means what I think it means it is disturbing.  Many years ago I thought maybe I was possessed by Satan.  My life was very stressful at the time, and Satanism was very popular on the radio.  I felt compelled to kill, so this was a serious struggle for my sanity.  I also started attended a local church and a well-meaning Christian explained because I was new to the Christian community, Satan was testing me.  Yeah, right!  Like I didn't need Satan in life and if attending a church is what brought this on- then obviously it was not a good idea to go to church.  I had to make a choice, either I was possessed or the Christian belief in Satan and demons is false.  I am very glad I decided Christian ideas are not true.  
Years later I am very sure there are other explanations for bazaar thoughts, other than aliens, ghosts, and demons.  I just read too much copper in the drinking water can trigger bazaar thinking and when I struggled to maintain my sanity, we were drinking from a well with a lot of minerals in the water.  This might be something we want to consider when someone is having a bazaar thoughts.

[Secular Sanity]

Your probably right that I should discuss this in it's own thread (since it's getting a little off-topic from the original) however the point was that when people think they are being motivated by Aliens, Ghosts, Demon's or other assorted oddities, it is more likely to be just some cruel twisted prank or abuse by a clandestine group that wants to use such delusions to their advantage.

I think you should lock this thread, Stryder.  We can pick up where we left off in this one.

JANKEN

I'd suggest the only way a person can deal with such elements is Psychology and a change to peoples perspectives of what disorders a person might suffer.  After all it's about training a person to be able to understand how to deal with what afflicts them (and others that otherwise observe them as some sort of curiosity or person to victimise)  After all the human brain has the capacity for elasticity when dealing with trauma, it can rewire to deal with "Learning work arounds" so it's really about learning how to cope so that no drugs are necessary.

(I'm sure not every case this will work, but in a majority it makes more sense to "think your way out" rather than be placed in a perpetually catatonic state at the hands of doctors and Big Pharma. Incidentally anyone that's induced into that state will find it very hard to recover from the damage done by the pharmaceuticals.)

You’re absolutely right.  It’s not like you are some criminal mastermind or terrorist, which leads me to believe that it may have been unintentional, a mistake, perhaps.

Let’s do this, Stryder.  Let’s think our way out.

[Carol]

I am confused about what the subject of this thread is. If the subject is the possibility of alien contact then, closing this thread might not be the thing to do. The focus can shift to Chariots of the Gods and The Mayan Factor. I know the scientific opinion is that these things are ridiculous to even consider, but before knowing more about science, I found such books fascinating and I am open to interesting discussions, because I enjoy them, and if science discredits things or supports them, it is all part of the fun for me, and this girl just want to have fun.

[Secular Sanity]

I am confused about what the subject of this thread is.  If the subject is the possibility of alien contact then, closing this thread might not be the thing to do.  The focus can shift to Chariots of the Gods and The Mayan Factor.  I know the scientific opinion is that these things are ridiculous to even consider, but before knowing more about science, I found such books fascinating and I am open to interesting discussions, because I enjoy them, and if science discredits things or supports them, it is all part of the fun for me, and this girl just want to have fun.

Well, start a new thread then. Go ahead. Pick your poison.

[Syne]

Telepathy = all in your head, literally.

I don't think so.  I hope I don't get into trouble for this, but our hearts synchronize with people we trust and with our dog's heart.  How and why?  Given one heart synchronizes with another, is it for sure our brains can not?  I have mixed feelings about this.  We like our privacy don't like the idea other brains interfering with our brain.  And it sure is hard to listen to or read something that causes our heads and bodies to scream -oh my god this is junk!  But I keep remembering all the nonsense of thinking the earth is not the center of the universe and little things we can't even see make us sick.  We have the book of God and know better, right?

No, your subconscious merely picks up on cues from others that are strongly mimicked in your own subconscious or sympathies. Has nothing to do with any telepathy or mystical/spiritual connection.

[Magical Realist]

Telepathy = all in your head, literally.

I don't think so.  I hope I don't get into trouble for this, but our hearts synchronize with people we trust and with our dog's heart.  How and why?  Given one heart synchronizes with another, is it for sure our brains can not?  I have mixed feelings about this.  We like our privacy don't like the idea other brains interfering with our brain.  And it sure is hard to listen to or read something that causes our heads and bodies to scream -oh my god this is junk!  But I keep remembering all the nonsense of thinking the earth is not the center of the universe and little things we can't even see make us sick.  We have the book of God and know better, right?

No, your subconscious merely picks up on cues from others that are strongly mimicked in your own subconscious or sympathies. Has nothing to do with any telepathy or mystical/spiritual connection.

5 experiments demonstrating telepathy:

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2015...telepathy/

[C C]

Years later I am very sure there are other explanations for bazaar thoughts, other than aliens, ghosts, and demons.  I just read too much copper in the drinking water can trigger bazaar thinking and when I struggled to maintain my sanity, we were drinking from a well with a lot of minerals in the water.  This might be something we want to consider when someone is having a bazaar thoughts.

Yes, an individual should especially reject belief in supernatural entities if such is leading to dangerous behaviors and thoughts. Acquire a solid understanding of how the natural world works, so that such extraordinary explanations are not necessary. Once one's life and psychological circumstances have become stable, then if any curiosity still beckons one can explore academic literature on the "supernatural" or whatever as a kind of recreational activity. Seek the stuff that's a product of critical thinking and also minus malevolence rather than arbitrary folk traditions with sometimes cruel customs.

Any serious-level belief in something transcendent to the sensible world should assimilate the natural world and the methodological study of it without damaging it and interfering in the scientific process. Adopt a philosophy which permits an empirical reality and a [sane] metempirical sidekick to conceptually co-exist peacefully with each other.