Fun with Philosophy

[Zinjanthropos]

Truth is, neither of us know next to anything about each other. It's the things we think we know about each other that fans the flame. You see, I think you are someone who never admits to being wrong with a penchant for being condescending, and you think I'm a moron. Plus I can't be sure if you've ever had a philosophical thought of your own, one that no one else has ever conceived. You have your books, papers, WIKI and other media to fall back on but does it make you a good philosopher? 

Never once in this entire thread have I admitted to believing in my OP. Yet you find the time to throw in an insult and in keeping with observation you insist on emphasizing just how wrong I am. I'm not certain how I could be wrong by just detailing a thought. I was sure the words 'wave function' or even 'fuzziness' was more than enough evidence to show I wasn't taking it seriously.(direct reference to wave/particle duality and QM). The other posters caught it but your focus was elsewhere. Have you taken upon yourself to be the guardian of the Philosophical world? There's a right and a wrong way, a protocol to be followed?

So I wonder how you deal with all manner of thinking. Do you praise thoughts that emulate those of the Philosophical elite and then attempt to scuttle any that are to the contrary? Do you think that's a good approach? If you tell me I was posting out of ignorance as a ploy then I can say the same thing when you suggest that Admin takes me to the woodshed. 

The internet should be the last place to expect forthrightness. Starts with a Username. I've been on internet forums since their inception, outlived a few, and to this day I can honestly say that there hasn't been anyone I believed 100%. You need to know this going in and I think most people do. There appears to be more lookers than posters, more posters than thread starters. I've started more than I can remember and I do it to stimulate conversation, push somebody's buttons, and learn from it. That's what this is all about, don't you think?

[Syne]

I don't assume anything of you but what you write. If you're disingenuous, that's on you. Yeah, people are often insecure and feel like confidant people are somehow bad. And just like I expect others to be honest and sincere based on my own motivations, some people will expect others to falter more, based on their estimation of their own competence. Your musings are only wrong in their characterization of philosophy, but there's nothing wrong with musing in general. I wouldn't criticize it at all if you didn't relate it to an actual field of study. I actually don't consider you a moron...only uninformed on the subject of philosophy. And if you have a sincere interest, that is easy to remedy.

The "ever had a...thought of your own" is often a typical refrain of cranks in any subject. Not saying you are, but it's very often a way uninformed people, who couldn't tell the difference between existing and original thought, overestimate their capabilities due to the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Philosophy is, in general, the use of logic...so yes, there are rules to valid logical reasoning. "Philosophical elite"? I don't particularly care who said what, and I'd be hard-pressed to remember even if I did. Again, this is a standard refrain of cranks in any subject. "To the contrary"? Since you've admitted this all a farce, how can it even be considered philosophy? You have to be sincere enough to justify the thought before it can even remotely be considered philosophy.

Trolling is generally frowned upon online, but since you've been around sooooo long, I assume you've made a career of it. If you are a generally disingenuous person, it's to be expected that you wouldn't trust anyone at face value. Or maybe you've been taken advantage of online. I don't know. Either way, there's no reason to be so defensive in an anonymous discussion.

No, the internet is not "all about" trolling. That just seems like a good way to make sure you're never really challenged by anyone else.

[Zinjanthropos]

Lo and behold. One just never knows what can be found on the internet. I just googled 'quantum effects on thinking' and got this. If you wake up and believe you might have thought of something no one else has then just get on the internet and be disappointed. All I did was wake up one morning thinking about something I considered using as an analogy in a Fun with Philosophy thread...... 

http://sedonanomalies.weebly.com/quantum-brain.html

There's actually quite a few sites dealing with the subject. Don't worry, scientists know about as much about this as they do the real quantum world. Still you would have to figure that quantum effects would be present in the brain, just like anywhere else.

[Syne]

http://sedonanomalies.weebly.com/quantum-brain.html

There's actually quite a few sites dealing with the subject. Don't worry, scientists know about as much about this as they do the real quantum world. Still you would have to figure that quantum effects would be present in the brain, just like anywhere else.

Now that I see the kind of stuff you go in for, rest assured, I won't be taking you even half as seriously in the future. Too bad. I gave you much more credit than that.

[Zinjanthropos]

http://sedonanomalies.weebly.com/quantum-brain.html

There's actually quite a few sites dealing with the subject. Don't worry, scientists know about as much about this as they do the real quantum world. Still you would have to figure that quantum effects would be present in the brain, just like anywhere else.

Now that I see the kind of stuff you go in for, rest assured, I won't be taking you even half as seriously in the future. Too bad. I gave you much more credit than that.

Well that's a relief! Make sure you take Zeno's Paradox into consideration.

Stole this from another article about roses I just looked at. The author does his best here. Nothing to do with thought/imagination but in case it does come to pass that quantum weirdness does have an effect on consciousness and thinking then perhaps this might be worth a look. It does mention one of our senses..... 

Roses grow by using chlorophyll to convert sunlight into food through photosynthesis. However a recent study of photosynthesis of green sulfur bacteria found that these tiny microorganisms might just use some quantum weirdness to help transfer that food energy efficiently. Energized electrons travel through the myriad of connections within the bacterium's single cell transferring energy throughout. Electrons, which are quantum particles, can literally exist along a wave function at multiple points at one time. Only when someone (or something) seeks to measure them do their wave functions collapse and they resolve into a single point.

The bacterium takes advantage of this quantum peculiarity by letting the electron randomly wander through all of the potential paths across the connections simultaneously. The path that first reaches the intended destination collapses the wave functions of all the other particles on alternate routes, so only the most efficient path is used. This is really a fundamental form ofquantum computing in the natural world.

After you've taken a deep sniff of the blossom, another quantum effect might be helping you smell that rosy smell.

A new take at how we sense smells uses an exotic phenomenon known as quantum tunneling. This happens when a quantum sized particle, like an electron, is seemingly able to show up on the opposite side of a theoretically impenetrable barrier. When you inhale, tiny particles called odorants enter your nose and interact with the smell receptors. However a new study shows that it's likely that electrons from the smell receptors are able to tunnel through the odorants to the other side, creating an electrical current. This current sets the odorant vibrating at a specific frequency giving the rose its sweet smell.