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#31
confused2 Offline
Just sometimes..
The needs of the one outweigh the needs of the other.
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#32
C C Offline
Cynical Sindee: In contrast, how popular would a social justice movement be that was feeding inspirationally from or had to ties to Nazism? How many journalists, political pundits, wonks, and academic elite would be falling over backwards in making excuses for that with respect to it "still being for a good cause"?

The total communist body count over various regimes ranges from estimates like 149,469,610 on the max to figures like 70 million on the minimal.

As many as 75 million people are proposed to have died in World War II (but the majority of that was from military conflict and its effects rather than the still outrageous and horrible number of people killed directly by genocide).

As contemporary China amply illustrates, Marxism and its adaptable political/economic species have no problem of likewise instantiating the negative attributes of nationalism. It privileges the Han majority over other population groups in its borders, and persecutes minorities like the Uyghurs and occupied Tibetans.

The only reason the Marxist school and its postmodern offshoots (by way of association) elude being depicted as a full frontal monster in the same way as Nazi ideology is because it has obfuscating adherents, apologists, and disinformationists littering the educational establishment, journalism, and the entertainment industry. A tsunami of intellectual white trash over the decades bearing either a covert or overt red flag instead of a swastika, methodically downplaying its bogeyman character. Trump similarly hand-waves away his vote contribution from the alt-right, but he is one (inept at communication) POTUS performing that kind of legerdemain compared to a legion of articulate southpaw myrmidons entrenched in institutional positions persistently protecting their "prize baby" concept over time.

How did this happen?

The humanities from at least the late 19th-century onward saw the writing on the wall that science (STEM would be fitting for today) was taking away its spotlight, eventually rendering it a minor role player in the world. To maintain relevancy, it jacked-up its interest and focus on social ills, assuming the savior trope of "Philosopher Kings" leading the ignorant, downtrodden castes and mad, disorderly powers to an eventual paradise. Not unsurprisingly, classic scholars had receptive ears in the human sciences, which they could also whisper influentially into (especially applicable today).

Marxist thought was a useful tool (arguably among many) for exploiting that territory because it rested on a victimhood conspiracy template (plus atheism in an era of science -- all the better!). Another speculative ideology invented on paper, not a fact found underneath a rock, so a good para-religious substitute for weening the proletariat and oppressed away from their traditional beliefs.

Ever evolving capitalism was still struggling to free itself from the lingering tyrannical and opportunistic impulses and contamination of the deep aristocratic past, so here was a fitting specific for the salient-hungry areas of the liberal arts to plug into the placeholder of "devil, bully, enemy" of the people.

But not everything always goes well for communism and its fans when it tries to be the "new boss" replacing the "old boss", in the context of preaching that "it's for a good cause or justice". Just as one might hope the same would apply to backwood Nazis and their admirers if they somehow ever got the resources and means to overthrow a government or culture, for a supposed "good cause or justice".

But there's definitely such a thing as "overdoing it" with respect to counteracting such a threat. Like the Indonesian purges of '65-'66, wherein gangsters even served as deathsquad mercenaries.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian...Background

EXCERPT: Support for Sukarno's presidency under his "Guided Democracy" depended on his forced and unstable "Nasakom" coalition between the military, religious groups, and communists. The rise in influence and increasing militancy of the Communist Party of Indonesia (PKI), and Sukarno's support for it, was a serious concern for Muslims and the military, and tension grew steadily in the early and mid-1960s.

The third-largest communist party in the world, the PKI had approximately 300,000 cadres and full membership of around two million. The party's assertive efforts to speed up land reform frightened those who controlled the land and threatened the social position of Muslim clerics. Sukarno required government employees to study his Nasakom principles as well as Marxist theory. He had met with Zhou Enlai, Premier of the People's Republic of China, and after this meeting had decided to create a militia, called a Fifth Force, which he intended to control personally.

Sukarno ordered weapons from China to equip this Fifth Force. He declared in a speech that he favoured revolutionary groups whether they were nationalist, religious or communist, stating "I am a friend of the Communists because the Communists are revolutionary people." He said at a Non-Aligned Movement summit meeting in Cairo in October 1964 that his current purpose was to drive all of Indonesian politics to the left and thereby to neutralise the "reactionary" elements in the army that could be dangerous for the revolution. Sukarno's international policies increasingly reflected his rhetoric.

As early as 1958, Western powers—in particular the US and the UK—pushed for policies that would encourage the Indonesian Army to act forcefully against the PKI and the Left, which included a covert propaganda campaign designed to damage the reputation of Sukarno and the PKI, and secret assurances along with military and financial support to anti-communist leaders within the army.
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(Jul 26, 2020 05:54 AM)C C Wrote:
(Jul 26, 2020 02:54 AM)Secular Sanity Wrote: Who is Cynical Sindee?

A troublemaker. The other.

Well, there’s too many people nowadays that try to make you feel guilty for even questioning them. In my book, Cynical Sindee is a cool cat.
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