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Quote:Arthur, whose film follows Venema and Alm through their court battles and also features Bruder Spaghettus, the luxuriantly bearded leader of the Kirche des Fliegenden Spaghettimonster in Germany, says Pastafarianism is like other religions, with a supernatural deity, a prophet, and lessons of morality in holy scriptures. “Unlike other religions, it’s left out hate, bigotry, violence and dogma – its only dogma is that there is no dogma..."

Lack of the latter, in addition to ritual practices revolving more around activist motivations than genuine belief, might be another obstacle in terms of government recognition as a religion. Historically, religions or local cultural ideologies need to be useful for politics and its players/agencies to contingently appropriate as part of its toolset for achieving goals. Literally no formal dogma and no preferences/selectivity with regard to anything would render it pretty much inutile for regimes, rulers/leaders, candidates, administrations, ministries, and policy-makers.
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Should the Pastafarians be denied the right (?) to wear the colander. If Xians can wear a symbol of an execution device around their neck and Sikhs a weapon around the waist, then why not? its less offensive to me, not many been killed by a colander I'd wager. Probably safer to have a colander on your head riding a motorcycle than a turban.
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(Sep 19, 2019 10:58 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: Should the Pastafarians be denied the right (?) to wear the colander. If Xians can wear a symbol of an execution device around their neck and Sikhs a weapon around the waist, then why not? its less offensive to me, not many been killed by a colander I'd wager. Probably safer to have a colander on your head riding a motorcycle than a turban.


Some countries allow people to exhibit religious headwear in ID or driver's license photos (The Netherlands, Czech Republic, New Zealand, etc). But that's dependent upon being recognized as a bonafide or serious religion. The article states at least four which do accept Pastafarianism as such.

However, apparently even in the US and elsewhere some Pastafarians do occasionally get to wear a colander in their photos without the route of receiving official sanctioning as a religion and being in a state that permits headwear in that context. But again, it seems to contingently occur in such nations and locations, there is no right or ratified principle guaranteeing it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spa...ity_photos

The Czech Republic recognised this as religious headgear in 2013. In July that year, a member of the Czech Pirate Party from Brno was given permission to wear a pasta strainer on his head for the photograph on his official Czech Republic ID card. The Brno City Hall spokesman explained, "The application complies with the laws...where headgear for religious or medical reasons is permitted if it doesn't hide the face".

In August 2013 Eddie Castillo, a student at Texas Tech University, got approval to wear a pasta strainer on his head in his driver's license photo. He said, "You might think this is some sort of a gag or prank by a college student, but thousands, including myself, see it as a political and religious milestone for all atheists everywhere."

In January 2014 a member of the Pomfret, New York Town Council wore a colander while taking the oath of office.

In June 2014 a New Zealand man obtained a driver's license with a photograph of himself wearing a blue spaghetti strainer on his head. This was granted under a law allowing the wearing of religious headgear in official photos.

In November 2014 former porn star Asia Carrera obtained an identity photo with the traditional Pastafarian headgear from a Department of Motor Vehicles office in Hurricane, Utah. The director of Utah's Driver License Division says that about a dozen Pastafarians have had their state driver's license photos taken with a similar pasta strainer over the years.

In November 2015 Massachusetts resident Lindsay Miller was allowed to wear a colander on her head in her driver's license photo after she cited her religious beliefs. Miller (who resides in Lowell) said on Friday, November 13 that she "absolutely loves the history and the story" of Pastafarians, whose website says has existed in secrecy for hundreds of years and entered the mainstream in 2005. Ms. Miller was represented in her quest by The American Humanist Association's Appignani Humanist Legal Center.

In January 2016 Russian Pastafarian Andrew Filin got a driver's license with his photo in a colander.

In 2016 in Nijmegen, The Netherlands, Pastafarian and law student Mienke de Wilde petitioned the courts to be allowed to wear a colander in her driver's license photo. She lost the petition, both at first instance and on appeal.

A man's Irish driving licence photograph including a colander was rejected by the Road Safety Authority (RSA) in 2013. In 2016, an Equality Officer of the Workplace Relations Commission reviewed the RSA's decision under the Equal Rights Acts and upheld it, on the basis that the complaint did "not come within the definition of religion and/or religious belief".
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It’s nice to have fun with it but the FSM movement isn’t getting the attention it deserves. Perhaps it’s the most damaging attack on religious belief the world has ever seen, but without force and as peaceful as it can get. Might as well toss in the freedom of religion clauses contained within some constitutions too. I know, you know, everyone knows it’s bullshit and just how much it mirrors the real religions of the world. Religion’s evil twin....lol
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(Sep 20, 2019 01:11 PM)Zinjanthropos Wrote: It’s nice to have fun with it but the FSM movement isn’t getting the attention it deserves. Perhaps it’s the most damaging attack on religious belief the world has ever seen, but without force and as peaceful as it can get. Might as well toss in the freedom of religion clauses contained within some constitutions too. I know, you know, everyone knows it’s bullshit and just how much it mirrors the real religions of the world. Religion’s evil twin....lol


Might be the most known. The Satanic Temple and perhaps other, more obscure parody/activist ritualism groups are arguably engaging in something similar, too: https://www.scivillage.com/thread-6602.html

However, The Satanic Temple seems to emphasize that "Satan" is only a personified concept of "skepticism and rebellion". Whereas the FSM is reified more literally as a being, even if facetiously.

That's perhaps what even ancient administrators and sages more in the loop (than the everyday masses) as to the function of gods knew: Is that they were ideas, principles, or general repeating tendencies abstracted from the world which were given symbolic concrete form as humanoid or chimeric beings.

Aspects of Platonism were perhaps abundant and widespread in the local cultural thought-orientations of the globe long before the Greek gave them the most viral formal articulation. It was doubtless useful to allow a populace to treat gods as existing as particular bodies rather than construing them as generative principles. In the course of time there would be fewer, if any, of the genetic and intellectual descendants of the epistemically privileged who had not become indoctrinated themselves with the popular perspective on deities.
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