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#31
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I was going to sell it but it looks like it’s kind of tricky because of the ivory inlays. Undecided
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#32
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Recently, I found a United States Light House Service bell buoy. It’s about 250 pounds. It took me awhile to figure out what it was used for. The history is interesting. I’ve gotten a lot offers for it from the east coast, but the shipping cost is problematic.

I just picked up the engineering manuals for the USS Indianapolis at an estate sale. They’re stamp 'USS Indianapolis received Mar 2, 1934, Commanding Officer.' I can’t find even one of them online anywhere. Think they’re worth anything?
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#33
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(Dec 14, 2021 04:04 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: I just picked up the engineering manuals for the USS Indianapolis at an estate sale. They’re stamp 'USS Indianapolis received Mar 2, 1934, Commanding Officer.' I can’t find even one of them online anywhere. Think they’re worth anything?
If it was the USS Indianapolis (CA-35) (wikipedia.org) which was launched in 1934
(There were other Indianapolis's so you'll have to work out which one it is for, although I'm guessing this one for launch date)
The two captains for this vessel during that year were:
Cpt. John M. Smeallie
Cpt. William S. McClintic

You could attempt to contact there descendants about whether they are interested in the article for it's direct historical value to them, or at the very least get a scan/copy of them, Otherwise various naval museums and enthusiasts will either pay or love the donation.  It's entirely your call.
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#34
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(Dec 14, 2021 04:58 PM)stryder Wrote:
(Dec 14, 2021 04:04 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: I just picked up the engineering manuals for the USS Indianapolis at an estate sale. They’re stamp 'USS Indianapolis received Mar 2, 1934, Commanding Officer.' I can’t find even one of them online anywhere. Think they’re worth anything?
If it was the USS Indianapolis (CA-35) (wikipedia.org) which was launched in 1934
(There were other Indianapolis's so you'll have to work out which one it is for, although I'm guessing this one for launch date)
The two captains for this vessel during that year were:
Cpt. John M. Smeallie
Cpt. William S. McClintic

You could attempt to contact there descendants about whether they are interested in the article for it's direct historical value to them, or at the very least get a scan/copy of them, Otherwise various naval museums and enthusiasts will either pay or love the donation.  It's entirely your call.

I doubt that their descendants would be interested in technical engineering manuals, but yeah, you're right, navy museums might be. For some reason most of the nautical collectors seem to reside on the east coast. Usually, even if it's a strange item, I'm able to find something about it online, but not so with these.

Thanks, Stryder!
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#35
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(Dec 14, 2021 05:06 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Dec 14, 2021 04:58 PM)stryder Wrote:
(Dec 14, 2021 04:04 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: I just picked up the engineering manuals for the USS Indianapolis at an estate sale. They’re stamp 'USS Indianapolis received Mar 2, 1934, Commanding Officer.' I can’t find even one of them online anywhere. Think they’re worth anything?
If it was the USS Indianapolis (CA-35) (wikipedia.org) which was launched in 1934
(There were other Indianapolis's so you'll have to work out which one it is for, although I'm guessing this one for launch date)
The two captains for this vessel during that year were:
Cpt. John M. Smeallie
Cpt. William S. McClintic

You could attempt to contact there descendants about whether they are interested in the article for it's direct historical value to them, or at the very least get a scan/copy of them, Otherwise various naval museums and enthusiasts will either pay or love the donation.  It's entirely your call.

I doubt that their descendants would be interested in technical engineering manuals, but yeah, you're right, navy museums might be. For some reason most of the nautical collectors seem to reside on the east coast. Usually, even if it's a strange item, I'm able to find something about it online, but not so with these.

Thanks, Stryder!

I only mentioned the Geneology related path as I've been doing that a lot recently, sometimes it will surprise you, they might have their own family museum for that member etc.

As for the Buoy, you should be able to get people to collect it themselves rather than doing delivery costs, if they truly want it they will travel. Alternatively you could try selling it to a Seafood restaurant, such things end up a centre piece for the advertising outside, perhaps in a rock garden etc.
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#36
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(Dec 14, 2021 05:22 PM)stryder Wrote:
(Dec 14, 2021 05:06 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Dec 14, 2021 04:58 PM)stryder Wrote:
(Dec 14, 2021 04:04 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote: I just picked up the engineering manuals for the USS Indianapolis at an estate sale. They’re stamp 'USS Indianapolis received Mar 2, 1934, Commanding Officer.' I can’t find even one of them online anywhere. Think they’re worth anything?
If it was the USS Indianapolis (CA-35) (wikipedia.org) which was launched in 1934
(There were other Indianapolis's so you'll have to work out which one it is for, although I'm guessing this one for launch date)
The two captains for this vessel during that year were:
Cpt. John M. Smeallie
Cpt. William S. McClintic

You could attempt to contact there descendants about whether they are interested in the article for it's direct historical value to them, or at the very least get a scan/copy of them, Otherwise various naval museums and enthusiasts will either pay or love the donation.  It's entirely your call.

I doubt that their descendants would be interested in technical engineering manuals, but yeah, you're right, navy museums might be. For some reason most of the nautical collectors seem to reside on the east coast. Usually, even if it's a strange item, I'm able to find something about it online, but not so with these.

Thanks, Stryder!

I only mentioned the Geneology related path as I've been doing that a lot recently, sometimes it will surprise you, they might have their own family museum for that member etc.

As for the Buoy, you should be able to get people to collect it themselves rather than doing delivery costs, if they truly want it they will travel.  Alternatively you could try selling it to a Seafood restaurant, such things end up a centre piece for the advertising outside, perhaps in a rock garden etc.

Yeah, one guy that is interested in the bell has another buyer that has been looking for one to display in his privately owned lighthouse. He's looking into to see how much it would cost to get it shipped there. I'll probably hear back from him after the holidays.

Did you find out anything interesting in your genealogy that you're willing to share?
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#37
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(Dec 14, 2021 05:46 PM)Secular Sanity Wrote:
(Dec 14, 2021 05:22 PM)stryder Wrote: I only mentioned the Geneology related path as I've been doing that a lot recently, sometimes it will surprise you, they might have their own family museum for that member etc.

As for the Buoy, you should be able to get people to collect it themselves rather than doing delivery costs, if they truly want it they will travel.  Alternatively you could try selling it to a Seafood restaurant, such things end up a centre piece for the advertising outside, perhaps in a rock garden etc.

Yeah, one guy that is interested in the bell has another buyer that has been looking for one to display in his privately owned lighthouse. He's looking into to see how much it would cost to get it shipped there. I'll probably hear back from him after the holidays.

Did you find out anything interesting in your genealogy that you're willing to share?

I've learnt that if you do genealogy to consider limiting the number of generations you intend to go back with initially (And more than 5 gens is going to be hundreds of profiles) When you start going down generations it becomes a portal to another world... especially when you start connecting cousins that are multiple times removed and branch right out.

Some areas of my tree have actually been filled by a number of American Genealogists, apparently theres a number of cousins over there.

My tree itself has people ranging from those that ended up in Workhouses (No state benefit/pensions when you got old back then, just shipped off to work as long as you could for room and board), Labourers, Farmers, Gents, Yeomans, Mayors, Buccaneers, Knights (Thats not just Honour ones but actual fully armoured knights of shire Stemming back to the Norman Conquest)

I have direct connection to the Norfolk Stywards/Stewards which is supposely linked to the scots Stewarts/Stuarts, however there is a lot of controversy over the legitimacy of some of it, thanks to one of the family members apparently baking some records according to some genealogists.
Even if the link is broken, I'm still a cousin to that line through a marriage from a family on my other parents side.

I'm also a cousin(So many times removed and positioned) of Oliver Cromwell through more than one family line and it's looking the same with the Boelyn's.

If that wasn't rabbit hole enough, there is hypothetical connect to William the Conquorer and further linage dating back to 8AD currently (Vikings that settled in Ireland, Isle of Man, West Scotland and it's isles, Normandy etc), with the potential of creeping further from some creative cousin hopping.

One of those "They are not a relation, but it's still pretty cool" possible facts is that one of my ggg...grandmothers was the right age and in the right place to be one of the scholars(student) in a class taught by William Wordsworths sister Dorothy Wordsworth in her late-teens/twenties. I'm hoping she was the smart one mentioned in the diary and not one of the lost causes.

I also have a couple of what I call "Delta trees", Family lines that entangle across the tree almost perpendicular to the tree itself. So I do not necessarily see a direct connection to those families in my bloodline, however they will have a member marry a brother or sister in one family, and their siblings and other family members will marry into other other families in other branches on the tree (and not limited to just a small generational range)

So far I have only found 1 instance of a first cousin marriage (Which introduces "pedigree collapse" at that point) Thats where in this instance two siblings, have children that marry. While it's suppose to be more common than you might think, although its approximately 1:1200 currently.

One big problem though is trying to circumnavigate paywalls, while there is a lot of free information, there is still a lot locked behind paywalls or only accessibly by visiting physical locations for the reference material. So I can draw some hypothetical lines to attempt to flesh more info on, but I get stuck at the moment getting access to that info.

Looks like I hijacked/offtopiced the thread a little in the response :/
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#38
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(Dec 15, 2021 01:08 AM)stryder Wrote: I have direct connection to the Norfolk Stywards/Stewards which is supposely linked to the scots Stewarts/Stuarts, however there is a lot of controversy over the legitimacy of some of it, thanks to one of the family members apparently baking some records according to some genealogists.
Even if the link is broken, I'm still a cousin to that line through a marriage from a family on my other parents side.

Same here, Stryder, a direct link, not broken that I’m aware of. Hey, maybe we’re distantly related.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clan_Lennox
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_of_Darnley

I received an email from a distant cousin that sent me a photo of my great grandparents that included a picture of my grandfather with them. That was cool. It was nice to see a side of them that I had never seen before. I also located an audio file at a university of an interview of my other grandparents talking about the dust bowl and depression. It was eerie hearing their voices after all these years. I sent a copy to all my cousins. They loved it.

Stryder Wrote:Looks like I hijacked/offtopiced the thread a little in the response :/

No worries. It’s casual, right?
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#39
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My genealogy is getting rather complex. The main problem seems to be that a lot of the families entwine alot. I guess it makes sense, for instance:

At about 25 generations in, the projected number of Grandparents is roughly equal to the current population of the country (around 64mil)
25 generations back is about 1100AD, the population of the country at that time was around 1.8-2 million people.

This essentially means there is a high chance for everyone to be related to the same people, unless of course people travelled far and wide for diversities sake.

Incidentally one family line that branched off someone a fair way back (I'm not a descendant of the person in question) led to "The Rebel" that burned Jamestown, VA and reportedly killed a lot of indigenous people :'(.
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#40
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(Dec 23, 2021 01:05 PM)stryder Wrote: My genealogy is getting rather complex.  The main problem seems to be that a lot of the families entwine alot.  I guess it makes sense, for instance:

At about 25 generations in, the projected number of Grandparents is roughly equal to the current population of the country (around 64mil)
25 generations back is about 1100AD, the population of the country at that time was around 1.8-2 million people.

This essentially means there is a high chance for everyone to be related to the same people, unless of course people travelled far and wide for diversities sake.

Incidentally one family line that branched off someone a fair way back (I'm not a descendant of the person in question) led to "The Rebel" that burned Jamestown, VA and reportedly killed a lot of indigenous people :'(.

Yeah, it’s confusing at times. I was researching my husband’s side and noticed that his great-great grandfather married his son’s mother in-law. Luckily, his grandmother was still alive at the time. She said that was how they kept the money within the family.

The name Bacon doesn't ring a bell, but I'll double check, and make sure that I'm not related to him. On my mother's side, my great grandfather married a native American.

"The primary disagreement between Bacon and his followers and Berkeley was in how to handle the native Indigenous population. Berkeley believed that it would useful to keep some of that population as subjects, stating "I would have preserved those Indians that I knew were hoeurly at our mercy to have beene our spies and intelligence to find out the more bloudy Ennimies," whereas Bacon found this approach too compassionate, stating: "Our Design... to ruin and extirpate all Indians in General."

Happy holidays, Stryder!
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